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Destro PvP need some advice
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Fingulfin
Ding 80/get gear. any strat i would give u on warrior/rogue would be useless.
This. Pre 80 PvP is absolutely worthless for nearly all classes. The simple fact of the matter is, clothies get absolutely torn apart without a healthy (and I'm talking 700-1000) amount of resilience. PvP is not balanced around in-between levels; its balanced around end-game... Its not balanced around level 80s in full greens or iLvL 200 purples either; its balanced around the most recent tiers of PvP gear.
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CDNEH
Rouges - Gotta keep ranged. If you dont have your Succy Seduce on Keybinding, do it.. Really, teleport Saves my ass against rouges.. Better gear will help too.. Like locks, they do MASSIVE burst damage(if you roll destro) so if you dont have the stamina, you are F****d..
Prot Warriors - When you fear them, Chase them! Dont let them get TOO ranged, because they WILL charge. Even in battle they will run from you simply to charge.. Use your stuns, fears and seduce to get your burst in..
Druids/Shamans. Get ahead of them then start your attacks.. So many get into casting distance then dismount and get 1-2 spells off.. If you are ahead of them you can get off spells, fears, stuns, ect and hopefully you have the burst to get them down.
If the druid is a tree.. BANISH..
All in all.. PVE using dungenfinder to get to 80 and then roll PVP... like everyone said.. Lower level pvp isnt the greatest as you are missing other VERY USEFUL skills...
Those tips worked for me when fighting with my play style.. hopefully they help you.
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Onijitsu
There is
a spec
which I have been wanting to try out for PvP, using Destruction. Others report they are getting very good results from it. The idea is to use both Molten Core (Uberfast and damaging Incinerates!) AND Backdraft (Uberfast casts on ANY Destro spells) to put out the hurt much more quickly. You can redo it to drop Improved Shadow Bolt for something else, if desired.
I am going to take one point away from either Molten Core or Backdraft (prolly Molten Core -- NOTE: Molten Core procs off of Corruption, so you'll need to cast that to get its benefit) and put it into Shadowfury. An AOE stun, which does THAT much damage, is too much to pass up in PvP. This can save your bacon... The worst scenario, for me, is if a Death Knight yanks me right in front of himself and a bunch of caster enemies. Being able to stun and run is really nice. You may also choose to rework the spec to give yourself 3 points in Molten Skin and 3 points in Nether Protection. These will massively improve your survivability.
Also note that this spec maximizes the effectiveness of your Succubus, taking both Improved Succubus and Demonic Power. You will be able to cast Seduction much more quickly. If they break Seduction with a trinket? Cast it again. Or Fear them. This spec ALSO lets you quick-swap a Voidwalker in for your Succubus. I have a macro on my secondary spellbar which casts Fel Domination (our only spell with NO cooldown!) and then Summon Voidwalker. And then, I have another button on my spellbar, right next to it, to cast the Voidwalker's bubble on myself. It is one of the best bubbles in the game. I use my Voidwalker when I am going to be swamped with enemies, and expect to need his bubble to stay up a little bit longer.
You can also rework this spec (
like this
) to skip over using critical strikes, for more consistent damage-dealing, protection for yourself, and mana-efficiency.
On general principles, even if you don't use this spec?
I agee 100% with CDNEH: you want to have Seduce ready to use, on a spellbar. If you are going to use a Succubus? Then Glyph of Succubus is a must-have as well. (Because her seduce will break, otherwise, the moment one of your DOTs ticks again)
I also suggest that your primary spellbar use the 12 spells (or items) which you are most likely to use in an encounter. That includes Death Coil and Fear. (And possibly Howl of Terror, though you may choose to move that to a nearby spellbar, that you can flip to) The faster you get your spells off, the better. I plan to have Seduce on my primary spellbar. You will likely not use Chaos Bolt very often in PvP. It's hard enough just working up a good Immolate. That's why Backdraft and Molten Core are so useful: fast-casting of spells.
Fear is your friend. Fear and Seduce often. I sometimes feel really guilty about yo-yoing my enemies around so much, as if I am playing with them... but if I were to let many of them close the distance, I would be toast! Seriously, it's not the same as raiding... you're not going for max DPS, so much as you want to outlast your enemy. Fear or Seduce them, get to maximum casting range, and then start hitting them hard. Just before they get back to you? Fear or Seduce them again, and start over. If they attack your pet, Fear. If they attack you? Seduce. You have at least two means of CC. You can also use Fel Domination to spawn a completely fresh Succubus. (I also plan to have a macro for this)
And when someone is beating on you HARD? Even, stunlocking you a bit? If your Succubus is down, or you have another pet, then you can keep hammering the Death Coil 'til you get one of, and then immediately start casting Fear.
You will notice that Chaos Bolt isn't on that PvP spec above, but you may not really miss it all that much.
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Onijitsu
We're talking about PvP here, Kilo. This stuff works about the same at level 79 as it does at 80. The real difference is that people are much more heavily geared for PvP, have their level-80 abilities (like mages' Mirror Image) and have prolly been working their skills up a bit. But the specs? One point difference. This spec I got off a guy at ElitistJerks.com.
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CDNEH
IMO i dislike your specs. Im sure for your play style it works, but spec'ing into MC instead of going down to CB, is kinda pointless.
With your spec you are picking up some MINOR damage bonuses from your Stones you create and from MC. But you are missing
Shadowfury
which is an extremely helpful AoE Stun which you can get off fears, HoT, or in 1v1 you can hit with a CB, Stun and Fear with little downtime.
Also,
Fire and Brimstone
Which increases your damaging spells and finally
Chaos Bolt
Which is a huge damage bonus especially when it crits(8-14k+ depending on Buffs and target).
Weighing your bonuses vs. the more "main stream" builds, IMO you are lacking some serious damage.
... Then Glyph of Succubus is a must-have as well. (Because her seduce will break, otherwise, the moment one of your DOTs ticks again)
IMO i think it's pointless to glyph Succubus when you can glyph into more damaging glyphs.. Succy is only good for CC and SLIGHT damage.. Better off picking another glyph
I also suggest that your primary spellbar use the 12 spells (or items) which you are most likely to use in an encounter. That includes Death Coil and Fear. (And possibly Howl of Terror, though you may choose to move that to a nearby spellbar, that you can flip to) The faster you get your spells off, the better. I plan to have Seduce on my primary spellbar.
Keybindings!
You will likely not use Chaos Bolt very often in PvP. It's hard enough just working up a good Immolate. That's why Backdraft and Molten Core are so useful: fast-casting of spells.
Say what? I can see that they would be nice to get the spells off quicker, again, i refer to the top of my post. CB is HUGE damage..
Fear is your friend. Fear and Seduce often. I sometimes feel really guilty about yo-yoing my enemies around so much, as if I am playing with them... but if I were to let many of them close the distance, I would be toast! Seriously, it's not the same as raiding... you're not going for max DPS, so much as you want to outlast your enemy. Fear or Seduce them, get to maximum casting range, and then start hitting them hard. Just before they get back to you? Fear or Seduce them again, and start over. If they attack your pet, Fear. If they attack you? Seduce. You have at least two means of CC. You can also use Fel Domination to spawn a completely fresh Succubus. (I also plan to have a macro for this)
If you dont stay at range then you might as well quit and roll as Melee..
And when someone is beating on you HARD? Even, stunlocking you a bit? If your Succubus is down, or you have another pet, then you can keep hammering the Death Coil 'til you get one of, and then immediately start casting Fear.
Death Coil has a cooldown, there for this statement is false.. DC imo is used as a last ditch effort to get people at range. That or if i have multiple attackers and need to get someone else away while everything else is on CD.
You will notice that Chaos Bolt isn't on that PvP spec above, but you may not really miss it all that much.
Again, refer to the top of my post..
Regardless your information is wrong in your post.
Instead of coming on here and flexing you obviously huge Epeen and hating people posting, why not comment on what in his information you found was wrong in hopes to help and enlighten him.
You are better then that Killo100!
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340720
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CDNEH
Was new news to me. I just read it and replied.
Issue? didnt think there was one. From your other replies i have read, figured you would have explained why his post was so bad instead of ripping him a new one. Total Epeen flex! Possibly smacked him across the face with it...
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