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[Holy] When to drop 4p t9?
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Post by
jinzhu
tbh, i find the t9 4 piece bonus to be not that big of a factor unless you are a fol pally, looking at your armory, it doesn't appear so. Again, if you find the set bonus to be useful, then i suggest getting maybe another ugrade before dropping it
Post by
pezz
It's a terrible set bonus. The t9 holy bonuses are literally the worst I've ever seen on any piece of tier gear ever. For gearing purposes, simply pretend you don't see the bonuses when looking at t9.
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191097
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Post by
svirve
Actually the T9 4p is worse for "FoL paladins" than the regular "HL spam paladin" since each FoL cast will refresh the HoT, thus making it quite worthless since it'll never even reach the first tick with you spamming FoLs at 0.8 seconds.
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Post by
frmorrison
Actually the T9 4p is worse for "FoL paladins" than the regular "HL spam paladin" since each FoL cast will refresh the HoT, thus making it quite worthless since it'll never even reach the first tick with you spamming FoLs at 0.8 seconds.
Beacon + SS the MT, keep the HoT rolling, then spam the raid or the OT. I don't see the problem.
Exactly, with the mechanics of Beacon, for a FoL Paladin, the question is if you should ever drop 4T9, since the HoT scales as the Paladin gets better gear in other slots.
Post by
svirve
Actually the T9 4p is worse for "FoL paladins" than the regular "HL spam paladin" since each FoL cast will refresh the HoT, thus making it quite worthless since it'll never even reach the first tick with you spamming FoLs at 0.8 seconds.
Beacon + SS the MT, keep the HoT rolling, then spam the raid or the OT. I don't see the problem.
And you don't do that when you're casting HLs?
I feel sorry for you..
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Post by
frmorrison
And you don't do that when you're casting HLs?
I feel sorry for you.
I am a HL pally, so normally I don't keep the HoT rolling since it is weak without lots of spell power and 4 piece. I do keep up the SS buff though.
Post by
Zarra
What are you talking about...
FoL HoT ticks every second, which means, even if you, for some reason, are FoL spamming your SacredShielded target, you still get a tick of healing just before the next FoL lands.
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Post by
Brique
The FoL HOT should not be part of your vital healing in a raid. Breaking the set bonus that improves it isn't that big of a blow to your healing ability. It pads the meters and it never really needed to be there in the first place.
Don't count on that HOT for anything.
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114144
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Post by
svirve
Your initial post makes no sense. The mechanics around using Beacon and keeping the HoT rolling are identical for both HL and FoL paladins.
4p T9 is great for FoL paladins (though I myself don't see the viability of a non-HL pally).
Then your argument about how you can keep beacon and SS on the tank and casts FoLs on the raid is kind of moot, since like you said yourself beacon works the same way for both FoL and HL. Even if you're casting HLs you can throw away a 1 sec FoL to refresh the HoT on the tank.
Why would it be any better for a FoL paladin than a HL paladin?
The HL paladin has like 200-250% more throughput.
Which means he has alot more free GCDs to refresh the HoT, gearing will make it marginally weaker for a HL pally, maybe 400 healing done over the full duration.
The reduced amount of throughput of a FoL healing style, which leads to less spare GCDs, makes it harder to refresh the buff on the tank since you need to continuously spam FoL in order to keep up with incoming damage.
That and that alone, makes it better for a HL style paladin.
Post by
valundar
4PT9 is amazing for sleep-healing through old content that you outgear.
That.. and 5 mans.
Since I dont get to do any progression at all... I will be shooting for this as soon as I can be bothered to stop lvling my
huntard.
(but I wouldn't hold my breath)
P.S.
The 4PT9 is a LOT better when you have ret/prot/other holy pallies to slap up some extra SS around.....
Then again.. all that does is pad meters......
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Post by
Brique
The t9 bonus 4 piece is probably the best. It made it possible to heal fury tanks in heroics and ret tanks. I would crit with flash heal and bam 1600 heal hot ticking, Then to holy light healing or flash heal other people. IT would always be up and it was hard to give up my t9. Gotta admit i love the t10 2 piece a lot but its not always up like this hot was.
You can heal them just as well without the 4 piece bonus, too. Heroics are kinda the last point of "anything goes" in PvE.
Ex.: Your Ret and Fury tanks.
Post by
Cyrael
You have to look at your context. Your gear should reflect your playstyle which should reflect what you're healing. I hardly ever use HL in heroics and find the T9 4pc useful and fun. The T10 2pc seems very aimed at HL usage, which is a pally's bread and butter in the raid environment. So, to make a blanket statement that the T9 4pc is garbage, is imho a little obtuse; no, it's not that useful in raids, but T10 2pc is not that useful in heroics.
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