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Recount needs to die.
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hashmel
Recount is ok, people need to not be so $%^&ing stupid as to rely solely on Recount and to learn some manners and proper etiquette concerning Recount however.
Whispering Recount to someone who's interested is perfectly fine.
Linking Recount when a group consensus has been made that their damage output may be a cause to their difficulty with a certain encounter is perfectly fine.
Linking Recount after every pull with no reason for doing so or thinking it matters or is in any way accurate for judging someone's potential damage contribution on a boss is just asinine.
However, the biggest thing plaguing WoW currently is Gearscore.
Gearscore fails for 2 reasons.
Whether stats are even remotely valuable for a given class/spec has no impact on the score, ie a Warrior in all caster gear gemming mp5 will have the same GS as a different warrior in equal iLevel gear with proper stats.
Gearscore scales differently for different classes/specs, ie a Fury warrior with 2 two handers each with 3 sockets and a ranged weapon with another socket and a scope will have a higher GS than a cat with a single two hander with 3 sockets and an idol but both will be required to meet the same GS when asked.
Due to these two flaws Gearscore is useless in making accurate decisions on who will perform better than whom or to what extent and often times full BiS for a given class/spec will be less than optimal GS but BiS will outperform optimal GS.
Gearscore should never be used as anything more than a tool to increase your chances of successfully completing a pugged encounter based on the assumption that others will know how to properly gear/gem/chant for their given class/spec, assuming they know how to properly fulfill that is another leap of faith altogether.
Asking for a preferably high GS when pugging a specific vehicle-based encounter that scales with iLevel and has proven troublesome is perfectly acceptable.
Asking for a prefered GS of 4k when pugging content that requires a minimum of 4k to realistically complete is...ok.
Asking for a mandatory 6k GS when pugging that same content that requires a minimum of 4k to realistically complete is asinine.
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Post by
Vaeku
Usually this statement rouses a supporting cheer from the masses, but seriously. It needs to be discontinued. Christian Belt
sums it up beautifully
, and I think you all should have a read if you haven't already.
I realize the usefulness of the DPS meters and how they can be used to improve your performance, but things have gotten out of hand. The entire game is run by Recount and GearScore now, and it honestly needs to stop with the author(s) being disembodied. World of Warcraft is the only MMORPG that I have ever seen damage meters in (forgive my lack of knowledge if this isn't the case), but all other MMORPGs seem to do just fine without them. Why can't WoW?
If you would have read the whole article, you would see near the end that Belt said that he doesn't hate damage meters, he hates the people who misuse them. Which is correct. People who spam Recount in 5-mans at lower levels are idiots. But if someone asks for it, that's fine. Hell, I have Recount installed on all my characters, and none of them are at the level cap yet. Why? Because I'm interested in knowing how much DPS I'm doing versus everyone else. I don't spam it, nor do I talk about it. But it's a nice thing to know.
yes,i can. Actually it's the damage and the ability to move out of @#$% that you can judge a player from. What else DO you suggest? Gearscore? The ability to tell good jokes?
Yes, because judging a player on damage in a 5-man below level cap is srs bsns. Below level 80, if the mobs/bosses are dieing in an appropriate amount of time, I don't see what the problem is. Oh, wait, that's right... Elitists. They want the dungeon done in 15 minutes so they can get their phat lewtz and go on to the next dungeon.
if the person has latency issues, go play an gam that doesn't involve internet. Sorry but warcraft requires high-speed internet to further progress. Life sux, i know.
If it's that day that he has interwebz problems, why did he play that day?It's his own fault.
He clearly said that the latency was
server-side
, not client side.
What if that person is suffering from latency issues
(common with the servers as of late)
?
Also, maybe they didn't know they had problems with their internet? And people play WoW all the time with somewhat high latency and don't have problems.
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Porcell
Just like with GearScore, it's not that Recount has to die, it's that Idiots have to die.
Recount is a great tool. The least important part of recount is "Page 1" overall damage.
What is important? "Damage Taken" reports for things like Blood Beasts, Snobolds, Bone Spikes, etc. "Dispell" reports, "Interrupt" reports. Every time I die (raid MT) I check the "Deaths" tab to see exactly what happened, if I was receiving heals, if something unexpected happens. Likewise you can check the Death logs for anyone else who died and find the problem.
Is recount more-or-less pointless in a heroic? Yes. I agree with you. A lot of classes (casters mainly) have a bit of ramp-up time involved in their spell rotations. Even their AoE can be low. Tanks are so high on damage these days because they (if they are chain pulling correctly) are the first ones in combat, have 2-3 seconds of DPS time spamming cleaves, and everything dies in like 9 seconds. A tank could have 20-30% more time DPSing than the actual damagers. Furthermore, with such short combat times, RNG crit factor is even more pronounced. On my warlock I could be anywhere from 2.5k dps up to 6k dps, depending on whether I crit my 3-4 spells or not.
So yes, people spamming recount in heroics is annoying and pointless. But just like GearScore, it's people using the tool incorrectly; it's not the tool's fault.
Post by
LZTYBRN
Gearscore fails for 2 reasons.
Whether stats are even remotely valuable for a given class/spec has no impact on the score, ie a Warrior in all caster gear gemming mp5 will have the same GS as a different warrior in equal iLevel gear with proper stats.
Gearscore scales differently for different classes/specs, ie a Fury warrior with 2 two handers each with 3 sockets and a ranged weapon with another socket and a scope will have a higher GS than a cat with a single two hander with 3 sockets and an idol but both will be required to meet the same GS when asked.
Sadly, these are both wrong. Warriors do not get as much GS from caster gear as they do from plate. And they only get the GS from ONE of their 2H weapons. And as far as i know, gems do not count towards gearscore at all.
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Vaeku
At some point I ask the pala to stay in the aoe zone, but he goes "lolwut, you're only doing 2k so stfu!". Well yeah, Recount scores my Hurricane as 12 seconds but the mobs are only in the lightning shower for about half that time.
Now that's funny. He won't stay in your AoE zone because you're only doing 2k, but you're only doing 2k
because
he won't stay in the AoE zone.
Gotta love idiotic
paladins
tanks...
Post by
Robyn
To be honest, activity meters are much better as a measure than DPS meters. You really need to see them side by side, it tends to work out something like this:
low activity + low dps = noob / slacker,
low activity + high dps = well-geared slacker who could do better,
high activity + low dps = potentially very effective player not focussed on damage
high activity + high dps = busy player who is smiting the enemy to good effect
There are very few people who are active but not effective, it just doesn't happen very much that you get people who are just casting tons of cures or dispels when they're not needed.
If Recount's default view was to show two bars per player, one dps and one activity, I'd be a lot happier. It is a useful tool, but there are so many people who just take the easy route and look at the dps table.
GearScore, well, that's another matter. It'd be better if all it did was show thresholds, eg this person qualifies to run this instance, but I doubt whether the owners will change it in such a way that it can't be used for e-peen contests anymore ;)
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Hyperspacerebel
Do certain bosses depend on a certain dps being done?
Yes.
Therefore dps is important.
Therefore the tracking of that dps is important.
Why is this such a hard concept?
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