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Post by
Erethzium
I'm in full 232 or higher gear as Holy, and I went OOM in about a minute...on Patchwerk...while the other Paladin's mana was above 95% the whole time.
I'm really clueless as to how to keep my mana up effectively. The only thing I can think of is using Judgement every CD, or Divine Plea. How DO paladins keep their mana up when spamming Holy Light? I was only spamming it for a little bit, too.
Yes, I've got Glyph of SoW for -5% spell costs. 25k mana unbuffed, 31% holy crit (36% with HL, HS and FoL)
Armory
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Why did you need to spam HL on Patch?
Post by
Erethzium
The other tank was undergeared and taking high damage. After a bit of spamming, I would only use it to keep up Light's Grace.
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415459
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Post by
Erethzium
Well, yeah, I know that, but I need my question answered: How do I effectively keep my mana up while spamming heals 100% of the time?
Post by
Quest
I'm in full 232 or higher gear as Holy, and I went OOM in about a minute...on Patchwerk...
while the other Paladin's mana was above 95% the whole time.
Found your problem. :D
Post by
Erethzium
Well, that may be for that fight, but looking at his castbar, he appeared to just be spamming FoL the entire time. When I do ICC10 or other raids, I'm always Tank heals, so spamming FoL/HL constantly. How am I supposed to keep my mana up for 5 to 7 minute fights?
Post by
Toldu
I'm in full 232 or higher gear as Holy, and I went OOM in about a minute...on Patchwerk...
while the other Paladin's mana was above 95% the whole time.
Found your problem. :D
Yep, looks like the other pally wasn't doing his fair share and that caused you to have to go into heal-freak mode.
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415459
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Post by
Erethzium
I'm in full 232 or higher gear as Holy, and I went OOM in about a minute...on Patchwerk...
while the other Paladin's mana was above 95% the whole time.
Found your problem. :D
Yeah, this appears to be it.
My healing on Patch
His healing on Patch
And yes, I pop Divine Illumination when I HL spam, along with Divine Plea, for more mana gain. I'll try using wings, too.
But still, answer question plz:
spamming FoL/HL constantly, how am I supposed to keep my mana up for 5 to 7 minute fights?
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Post by
PureGold
Holy light Costs around 1k mana 2.5 second cast
In 10 seconds you would use 4k mana.
4k*6=24k
So if you were spamming holy light for 1 minute it would only cost you 24k Mana.
You had 25k unbuffed with raid buffs probably around 29k ( kings,Mark,Arcane Brilliance,)
I don't know how you went OOM unless you started with Less mana
^This.
And that is with you having
zero
mp5 and
zero
regen from crits.
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Post by
MegaVolt
Holy light Costs around 1k mana 2.5 second cast
Before posting this nonsense you should at least look at talents and haste on gear. Even an ungeared Paladin can easily bring the HL cast time down to 1.5s.
Post by
slasher0161
Well just reading over this it doesn't add up and i can only literally put it down to 2 things, incredibly rubbish tanks (like beyond failknight level rubbish) or dps that were busy browsing their favorite adult entertainment site rather then smacking the boss.
Given your gear i was estimate your mana pool to be able to sustain about 2mins of holy light spamming on a bad day and given good situations maybe 3mins.
I mean literal spam, back to back HL's with the exception of when needed to judge to maintain JotP (*disclaimer* this is almost never needed in raiding *blah blah blah* don't rant at me about it).
Also woth noting just from personal experience on healing patch your better off using HL at about 5-7 sec intervals (unless the tank was as start above, total trash) HL is better HpM then FoL and shouldn't need spamming (patch doesn't hit that hard + SS should be shaving a fair chunk off).
Post by
Erethzium
Well I'm currently specced into the
"Endgame"
spec, should I try switching over to the
Holy/Ret
spec?
Before posting this nonsense you should at least look at talents and haste on gear. Even an ungeared Paladin can easily bring the HL cast time down to 1.5s.
Yeah, my HL cast is ~1.8 seconds with no buffs, and Light's Grace. With Judgements of the Pure, it goes down to 1.5
get some more mp5 gear/gems/enchants. eat some mp5 food, or use a mp5 potion.
I thought Paladins were supposed to gem all Intelligence? Also, all of my gear has Mp5 on it, except 6 pieces, not including trinkets/libram.
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Looking back at the Patchwerk logs, there were no classes that gave Replenishment, so that could have been the problem. I don't see Replenishment under the "Mana Gained" logs.
And yeah, now that I think of it, Patchwerk WAS going down REALLY slow. The highest 2 DPS were doing 4k and 3.9k, going down the list, 3.4k, 2.4k, and 1.8k, and the Ret died...so yeah, the DPS were epic fail.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
And yeah, now that I think of it, Patchwerk WAS going down REALLY slow. The highest 2 DPS were doing 4k and 3.9k, going down the list, 3.4k, 2.4k, and 1.8k, and the Ret died...so yeah, the DPS were epic fail.
That's epic fail dps? I guess you never raided Naxx in 3.0....
I've healed him with half of your groups total dps and in ilvl 219 gear and not gone oom.
Post by
Erethzium
That's epic fail dps? I guess you never raided Naxx in 3.0....
For 3.3, and all the ezmode 232 epics you can get, it IS fail to be doing less than 3k or so. =/
And yes, I DID raid naxx in 3.0.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
That's epic fail dps? I guess you never raided Naxx in 3.0....
For 3.3, and all the ezmode 232 epics you can get, it IS fail to be doing less than 3k or so. =/
And yes, I DID raid naxx in 3.0.
I don't think you understand the issue.
You: 232 gear, ~19k total dps (=~3.5 minute fight), going oom
Me: 219 gear, ~12k total dps (=6 minute fight), not going oom
So don't blame the dps.
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