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The Good, the Bad, the Ugly
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Post by
Orranis
I'll do 2, although most have already done Thrall:
Thrall:
The Good: He lead his people to salvation when they were so lost and disbanded, he brought them together again, gave them straight to fight, helped them rediscover there shamanistic past, and let them fight both the alliance who wanted to enslave them, and the legion that corrupted them. Pretty much made orcs into heroes because of him.
The Bad:
He being raised by humans sometimes has him underestimate his own peoples want for fighting and killing. He trys to keep things at there calmest, but leading a warrior race something even he finds differcult to maintain.
The Ugly: He let the forsaken have to much liberty, he let them become allies to the horde without overseeing what they were doing.
Frankly, the same can be said for all horde leaders and those of the horde who didn't report what they saw in undercity to Thrall, so really it wasn't just Thralls fault, ppl need to get over that
Durotan:
The Good: Even when he saw the corruption of those around him, and the prospect of his clan becoming stronger, he forced his clan not to drink from the chalice of rebirth, and ultimately saved them from being utterly corrupted.
The Bad: He followed through with his clansmen when the slaughter of the draenei started, questioning it, but still following them
The Ugly: Seeing his brown skin peal off to the green underneath, knowing the changing of the world around them and the use of warlock magics is what caused it.
That's a bad? Personally, Thrall has no real bad which makes me dislike him as a character. His other ugly (besides being too trusting) is his life as a Gladiator.
Post by
taurenmoo812
That's a bad? Personally, Thrall has no real bad which makes me dislike him as a character. His other ugly (besides being too trusting) is his life as a Gladiator.
I agree. I was hard pressed to find anything bad about him. Just call it a flaw, which makes him all the more grounded.
Post by
Monday
That's a bad? Personally, Thrall has no real bad which makes me dislike him as a character. His other ugly (besides being too trusting) is his life as a Gladiator.
I agree. I was hard pressed to find anything bad about him. Just call it a flaw, which makes him all the more grounded.
Imo his only bad is being rather indecisive and not really firm enough with his commanders.
Which has already been mentioned.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Imo his only bad is being rather indecisive and not really firm enough with his commanders.
Which has already been mentioned.
yes yes yes, but what leader is?
Thats a dare btw.
Post by
Adamsm
Imo his only bad is being rather indecisive and not really firm enough with his commanders.
Which has already been mentioned.
yes yes yes, but what leader is?
Thats a dare btw.
Doomhammer was.
Post by
Skreeran
Frankly, the same can be said for all horde leaders and those of the horde who didn't report what they saw in undercity to Thrall, so really it wasn't just Thralls fault, ppl need to get over thatRight, but the thing is, Thrall is the Warchief. He's responsible for the whole Horde. The Horde isn't a democracy or a republic, rather, it has Thrall as its definitive leader.
Thrall has power over the entire Horde, and as such, he is responsible for the whole Horde. If the Forsaken have a dreadlord as their second in command, he's responsible for that. He is responsible for everyone under him, including Sylvanas and the Forsaken.
Think of it in terms of the army. If one person screws up, it's not just them that gets in trouble, but their commander, and their commander's commander.
Or you could think of it as a business. Suppose someone in a factory doesn't follow safety protocol and someone dies because of a contaminated product. The responsibility doesn't just fall on the person who didn't follow protocol, but the whole company, including the president.
Post by
Morec0
And thus the thread derails...
Post by
Adamsm
Nope, discussion is allowed, just no flames.
Post by
Monday
Imo his only bad is being rather indecisive and not really firm enough with his commanders.
Which has already been mentioned.
yes yes yes, but what leader is?
Thats a dare btw.
My hero.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Imo his only bad is being rather indecisive and not really firm enough with his commanders.
Which has already been mentioned.
yes yes yes, but what leader is?
Thats a dare btw.
My hero.
Nope, even he's made mistakes, certainly in regards to his own daughter.
Post by
Skreeran
Imo his only bad is being rather indecisive and not really firm enough with his commanders.
Which has already been mentioned.
yes yes yes, but what leader is?
Thats a dare btw.
My hero.
Nope, even he's made mistakes, certainly in regards to his own daughter.But that hardly relates to firmness with his commanders.
Post by
Monday
Imo his only bad is being rather indecisive and not really firm enough with his commanders.
Which has already been mentioned.
yes yes yes, but what leader is?
Thats a dare btw.
My hero.
Nope, even he's made mistakes, certainly in regards to his own daughter.
From the looks of your post it sounded like you were asking who was firm with his commanders, and Magni certainly is. You never hear of anything like Wrathgate or anything like that with Dwarven (not Alliance, but Bronzebeard) soldiers.
Post by
Adamsm
My hero.
Nope, even he's made mistakes, certainly in regards to his own daughter.
So the fact she was captured by the Dark Irons, had Stockholm syndrome, and dislikes her father... was Magni's fault?
Post by
306612
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Frankly, the same can be said for all horde leaders and those of the horde who didn't report what they saw in undercity to Thrall, so really it wasn't just Thralls fault, ppl need to get over thatRight, but the thing is, Thrall is the Warchief. He's responsible for the whole Horde. The Horde isn't a democracy or a republic, rather, it has Thrall as its definitive leader.
Thrall has power over the entire Horde, and as such, he is responsible for the whole Horde. If the Forsaken have a dreadlord as their second in command, he's responsible for that. He is responsible for everyone under him, including Sylvanas and the Forsaken.
Think of it in terms of the army. If one person screws up, it's not just them that gets in trouble, but their commander, and their commander's commander.
Or you could think of it as a business. Suppose someone in a factory doesn't follow safety protocol and someone dies because of a contaminated product. The responsibility doesn't just fall on the person who didn't follow protocol, but the whole company, including the president.
You know skee this what you said gives a level of clarity.
What it basicly gives an example of is, Thrall isn't perfect, and the mistakes he makes shows him as not being some devine entity or demi god over the orcs, but rather shows him as a man.
The mantle of warchief was given to him and he did the greatest thing for his people since they were so lost, but he isn't omnipathic and still has to find ways to adapt from being the slave he once was, to leading his own people.
Rl example seems to be the presidency. When something goes bad in america, it always comes back to the president, but his nation is so large he can't control or govern everything under him. That is down to such a leader putting trust in others to help govern it, so some much the same, Thrall put his faith in is allies.
I'd sooner have a warchief that makes mistakes and trys to correct them, then one that rules is an iron hand.
Post by
taurenmoo812
So the fact she was captured by the Dark Irons, had Stockholm syndrome, and dislikes her father... was Magni's fault?
Well he didn't do a good enough job of coming to rescue her, asking a random adventurer to do it, so her giving being captured and then giving birth to the emporers son does fall into the 'he didn't do enough to save her' catagory.
(Hey, you want to pin the blame on Thrall for the wrath gate it can work both ways you know)
Post by
Adamsm
So the fact she was captured by the Dark Irons, had Stockholm syndrome, and dislikes her father... was Magni's fault?
Well he didn't do a good enough job of coming to rescue her, so her giving being capture and then giving birth to the emporers son does fall into the 'he didn't do enough to save her' catagory.
(Hey, you want to pin the blame on Thrall for the wrath gate it can work both ways you know)
Difference is though.... Thrall should have been watching the Forsaken from the beginning. Magni's daughter was captured, he sent people to save her(Thrall sent people), they failed because she fell in love with her captor, you kill the captor, return home to warn both Horde and Alliance that their is a new Emperess of the Dark Irons.... not the same thing as a group within your own faction planning, creating, and using a substance that melts the flesh off your bones.....
Post by
Monday
So the fact she was captured by the Dark Irons, had Stockholm syndrome, and dislikes her father... was Magni's fault?
Well he didn't do a good enough job of coming to rescue her, so her giving being capture and then giving birth to the emporers son does fall into the 'he didn't do enough to save her' catagory.
(Hey, you want to pin the blame on Thrall for the wrath gate it can work both ways you know)
So sending soldiers to Black Rock spire, killing almost anything inside, destroying Thaurissan, wasn't a very good job to save her?
Post by
451455
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Adamsm
Nope, discussion is allowed, just no flames.
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