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Which trinket is better for regen?
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Post by
jrussell7289
I've never really been into the math part of WoW, and I'm not really sure where to find all the formulas to calculate all this myself under a raid situation with buffs and everything. If anyone has links, please post them and I'll try to do it myself, or if you do it just show me how so I can in the future please.
Basically I'm trying to figure out which provides more regen as a holy priest.
Talisman
or
Purified Lunar
. My guild hasn't had a trinket drop from ToGC in the last 6 weeks. I really want H Solace, but it just doesn't seem to be happening. Lunar dust will be a larger increase in SP, but I'm more worried about the regen part. I'm not finding myself going OOM yet, but it may be possible depending how hard Blood Queen and the other fights are in 25man.
I do know Purified ends up to be around 80-90mp5, is that more than I would get with the extra int once you include replenishment, shadowfiend, etc?
Thanks for the help!
Edit: Forgot to say that with the Int trinket I'm at 25,108 mana unbuff.
Post by
Lodum
Alright, math time.
Purified Lunar Dust averages out to 76 mp5 at worst (assuming the theorycrafting on its own page is correct).
The Talisman provides 128 intellect.
128 intellect provides a holy priest (as in no Mental Strength talents) 1920 mana.
1920 mana provides 19.2 mp5 with replenishment.
I think its obvious that the Dust will be better for mp5.
Edit: Of course, the intellect would also increase spirit based regen, but that amount would be a pretty small amount and wouldn't match that of the dust.
Post by
OscarDivine
Purified Lunar is a horrendous trinket given the price. You also didn't account for the MP5 gained from the extra mana via Shadow Fiend and Hymn of Hope. Don't forget to account for Blessing of Kings as well.
Post by
Lodum
Ah right, our wonderful % of mana regen abilities (and kings). Forgot all about them. Would they make up a 50mp5 difference though?
Also, I'll let it be known that I would never spend 60 EoF on that trinket and I am not suggesting anyone ever does.
Post by
ZoraLink
Note that it's being buffed up in spell power fairly soon though.
Post by
jrussell7289
Ya I knew how to account for the replenishment MP5...just not the rest...Guess I'll just save the emblems for saronite instead. Hopefully a trinket drops soon :(
Thanks
Post by
Erethzium
Solace of the Defeated
and its
Heroic Version
are still incredibly OP for regen.
Post by
OscarDivine
Ugh I hate doing math, and someone is bound to find the flaws of my calculations... But here goes.
128 intellect = 1920 mana.
With kings about 140 intellect = 2100 mana
For Shadowfiend: Each hit provides 5% mana return, this means an additional 105 mana per hit. If Shadowfiend hits about 10 times, so that's 1050 mana additionally returned for one run of Shadowfiend. You should get two runs of SF during each fight. 2100 mana over a 6 minute fight about
29 MP5
For Hymn of Hope: Each time you use HoH, you should get back 3% max mana x 4 ticks of HoH. For two runs of HoH, this means 8 ticks total of 24% max mana returned. Roughly, this is 504 additional mana gained from HoH. This over the course of a 6 minute fight =
4.2 MP5
I'm going to ignore the increased mana pool for now, just because it's a real PITA to calculate how that will affect you over the course of the fight.
Replenishment at 100% uptime, for 2100 mana =
21 MP5
.
29+21+4.2=
54.2 MP5 total
.
I have a feeling this is wrong somewhere. but either way...
Post by
jrussell7289
It's better math than nothing. I hope heroic solace drops this week. I already have reg.
I don't think it's worth spending the emblems on that when I still need saronite for crafted legs. blah!
Post by
OscarDivine
Honestly? When you compare even the ilvl 251 item that is similar to it, the
Sliver of Pure Ice
, it ends up being a better overall trinket, and the USE is actually USEFUL. I prefer the Sliver in so many ways, but there's rumor of them fixing the Purified Lunar Dust to not suck so bad.
Post by
karlusdavius
Honestly? When you compare even the ilvl 251 item that is similar to it, the
Sliver of Pure Ice
, it ends up being a better overall trinket, and the USE is actually USEFUL. I prefer the Sliver in so many ways, but there's rumor of them fixing the Purified Lunar Dust to not suck so bad.
just the spell power part afaik
Post by
Crysania
I have a feeling this is wrong somewhere. but either way...
Whats wrong (and the reason why I avoid equating Fiend/HoH to mp5) is that the number of times you can use these in a fight and the length of fights will vary greatly. One other thing though, is that you said you could use fiend and hymn twice in a six minute fight. Hymn however, has a 6 min cd, so unless you are using it at the very start of said fight and the very end (where it would pretty much be useless) you will only be able to use it once. Fiend has a 5 min cd, so you would have to use it in the first minute or so of the fight, and it restores 50% of your mana pool. If you can burn through half your mana in one minute, I find it hard to believe you will last the full fight.
I know, I'm nit-picking. But as I said, realworld mp5 from Fiend and Hymn will vary from fight to fight, which is why I won't do the math farther than mana gained.
Post by
328121
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Post by
mojojojo101
I went with PLD simply because when healing 3 things normally happen
-I forget to use my on use trinkets when i should coz im spamming spells
-I put off using them untill i 'need' them and end up never using it
-I use it when its not neccesary and then 30secs later i do really need it.
Post by
OscarDivine
all this stuff about my math being inaccurate
It was only an estimate. *shrug*
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