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So, is Demo a viable raid spec?
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Post by
fearbefore
I have been raiding as Destruction for a very long time.
Once 3.3 hit, I switched to Affliction and saw an increase in my DPS.
Now, after 3.3.2, is Demo a decent raid build?
I am talking deep demo, like meta?
I think it'd be cool to be able to switch to demo for fights where you need to be bursty.
Like, going demo for Saurfang.
The second the adds come out you just pop meta and blow them up.
Or for the Frozen Orbs on the new Ice Boss in VoA.
What do you tihnk?
Any help?
Post by
asakawa
demo has been viable all through 3.0
previously it was viable as a buff spec, it is now much more useful in terms of its own personal DPS.
sounds like you're making this decision for the wrong reasons though. demo
has
burst but it's not really about burst since meta has a cooldown that is much longer than the frozen orb cooldown (to use your example).
it is still a decision that is best made in light of demo's raid buff... or that fact that you think you'd enjoy it.
Post by
fearbefore
demo has been viable all through 3.0
previously it was viable as a buff spec, it is now much more useful in terms of its own personal DPS.
sounds like you're making this decision for the wrong reasons though. demo
has
burst but it's not really about burst since meta has a cooldown that is much longer than the frozen orb cooldown (to use your example).
it is still a decision that is best made in light of demo's raid buff... or that fact that you think you'd enjoy it.
Yeah, I seriously haven't paid attention to Demo since probably, the days of Naxx.
Thanks for the input though, my friend.
Post by
Acabar
My personal DPS with demo is usually between 6 and 7k fully 25-man buffed. The big perk is I'm dishing out 400+ SP to the raid using demonic pact.
Your personal DPS won't be as high as affliction (although pretty darn close especially with the recent changes), but if you have a fair number of casters, Pact is tasty.
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Post by
asakawa
it moves above destro with T10
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Post by
Metalfenrir
The numbers between the three specs are so close that it boils down to playstyle. Aside from that, each spec has the opportunity be in a situation that allows that spec to out perform the other spec, if they were in the same situation.
All three specs are equally viable. Anyone that tells you otherwise is stuck in the past, ignorant, or both.
Example
, my guild's second failed attempt at Festergut 25m from last night. I'm pretty PO'd I didn't think to turn on the log before we pulled.
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Post by
jamayk
Demo was viable since 3.3, but it seams in 3.3.2 it got even better.
10 man icc last night I did:
6708.9 - Lady death... but I changed all the time @ deformer / fanatics.
8270.3 - Saufrang
7202.7 - Rootface, I had slime twice and missed heroism with one
9828.2 - Festergut ... I had meta @ start. Then I had heroism under 30% when I poped meta again; I was hitting like a train (31k crit once). This is personal record for demo :D
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Vashj&n=Jamayk
I know maybe I was lucky with Fest 10 man (I went melee)... but getting closer to 10k as demo in a 10 man... I rly like it. So now I can say, YES demo is more than viable for PvE :)
------------
About playing demo; yes, it can be a little more difficult than destr, but I find it way more fun.
Well I have dotimer (a little more customized)... with it I keep eye on dots / buffs that I need 2 folow.
So left side I follow the dots on target.
Right side I have enabled only Life Tap, Molten Core and Decimation 2 keep eye on.
I keep the dots up(immo, corr, CoD), and Life tap. When molten core, I do 3 incinerate. I have demonic empowerment on shadow bolt macro, so I spam all the time, even under 35% from time to time 2 keep up improved shadow bolt.
Is important when you pop meta. depends on the encounter; I usually speak with the ppl when will hero be. So I do a meta almost @ begining and the best combo is that you have Heroism + Meta under 35%. Just pay attention with a few sec before heroism to life tap enough 2 be full mana, redot the target and cast a shadow bolt 2 have Improved Shadow Bolt up. Then 30 sec you nuke like a train with soulfire :D I love that part. Don't forget to use immolation aura also when meta (thx asakawa 4 correction).
While under 35% I don't do immolate anymore; only corr for the molten core. Also close to the end of the fitght CoD can be wasted; either cast a CoA or... if I don't have 2 move, so I'm in nuking position I don't put curse @ the end anymore :)
Another thing is with redoting and movement. Well if you need to move, it's very nice that you do your dots and lifetap while moving, so when you stop you can Shadow Bolt / Incinerate / Soulfire.
Sry for bad english and GL HF with your warlock!
Aye for DEMO! :))
Post by
asakawa
While under 35% I don't do imoolation anymore
if you mean immolate then you should (though it's not massively important)
if you mean immolation aura then you REALLY should.
Post by
jamayk
ofc I cast Immolation aura when demo (and close to boss). I meant immolate; thanks, I will correct :D
Post by
jamayk
Also about the movement and when / if you cast for example a curse, it's up to your decision. It's supposed you know your class very well... and you can decide then, on fight. Even under 35% when you want to nuke like a train... you can go for a curse ofc.
Also in fights, if you have adds that you get down... you get the decimation.... use soulfire on boss, while you have it.
And don't slack :D
Post by
asakawa
CoA does more DPET than SB or incinerate but less than soul fire. if your mob will last less than a minute then you're probably into the decimation phase and can drop curses completely.
if you're not tanking the princes you can maintain decimation throughout the entire fight if you're clever ^_^
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Post by
asakawa
well, you have an ele shaman so the gain from DP is nice but not as great as someone without that totem. also, you have a lot of physical damage (rogies and hunter) so overall demo isn't worth as much for your raid as it is for lots of other raids.
replenishment is pretty important and your hunter's the only other player who can bring it but MM is beating SV by a decent margin in current gear/content so...
...it looks like you're stuck with destro ^_^
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Post by
asakawa
well, to be clear, it's an absolute DPS priority to stay alive so if the boss you're on poses a serious risk of killing you then just stay at range and use meta as a 20% boost.
however, meta's value is always wrapped up in its ability to use IA and you're missing potential DPS by not using it.
run in while casting LT and corruption so you don't lose GCDs.
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