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Ippon
You don't tank a damn thing near the edge when the valks are out unless you're bugging the platforms.
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mojojojo101
I see it as a punishment for a mistake blizzard made, why wasnt the testing done on this to check these things because afaik the use of saronite bombs is preety common nowdays.
Condemning them for exploiting an oppurtunity is well preety hipocrytical(sp?) because i doubt anyone here would have done any different, i know i wouldnt have.
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anywherenotes
Those guys aren't dumb. They knew they were triggering a bug. They knew it made the encounter easier. Maybe they didn't know exactly how they were triggering it, but they obviously liked that they were triggering the bug.
They could have opened a ticket right there and than (or called blizz, aren't they on payroll? they must have direct numbers than). Instead they exploited the bug to get world first, instead of doing what honest employes would do - report bug and work on getting lich king down without exploit, even if it means getting a kill an hour later.
Blizz should see if they can get a more honest group of players to do this job.
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skribs
Seeking, they downed him on Normal. We dont know how long (if at all) HM's will take.
Those guys aren't dumb. They knew they were triggering a bug. They knew it made the encounter easier. Maybe they didn't know exactly how they were triggering it, but they obviously liked that they were triggering the bug.
They could have opened a ticket right there and than (or called blizz, aren't they on payroll? they must have direct numbers than). Instead they exploited the bug to get world first, instead of doing what honest employes would do - report bug and work on getting lich king down without exploit, even if it means getting a kill an hour later.
Blizz should see if they can get a more honest group of players to do this job.
Yes they knew they triggered the glitch, but that doesn't mean they have to stop. They didn't know what was causing it. They are not on Blizzard's payroll, but a third-party company that uses them for advertising (think NASCAR here). Oh, and people have gotten the fight down without the glitch now, so they can do it. I dont think this is an issue of Blizzard QQing that their encounter was beat so fast - I think it's Blizzard being embarrassed by a bug that was found that quick (presumably by accident) which broke the fight.
On the note of GM tickets...I don't know about you, but (especially on patch day) I can wait several hours for a response (due to introduction of new bugs, QQ's about lag, and simply more players on during a patch day). So it could have been this timeline:
First attempt: WTH? It rebuilt! Hmmm, I'll put in a ticket but let's keep going.
Tenth attempt: WOOHOO! We got him. Yeah, ticket still says "wait time unavailable."
Six hours later: <GM> Hi, how can I help you? Oh you got the world first as a result of the bug, let me get my supervisor...
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Heckler
So it could have been this timeline:
First attempt: WTH? It rebuilt! Hmmm, I'll put in a ticket but let's keep going.
Tenth attempt: WOOHOO! We got him. Yeah, ticket still says "wait time unavailable."
Six hours later: <GM> Hi, how can I help you? Oh you got the world first as a result of the bug, let me get my supervisor...
Not to imply that this is impossible, but were it the case, not only would the ban probably not have happened, but Ensidia would be using the "moral-high-ground" stance that they tried to report it, vice the "it's not our fault your game sucks" defense they're currently employing. They would also likely have vidcaps or vent recordings of such conversations to defend themselves. A lack of defense does not imply guilt, but it certainly doesn't help your case.
what i don't understand is why the exploit wasn't picked up by blizz during the encounter? surely to god there's a means and method that enables blizz to 'spy' on the fight, in which case they'd have known what was going on and been able to intervene immediately; so why didn't they?
I'll venture a guess: The GMs probably
were
spying on them, and instead of jumping in and stopping them, they gave them "enough rope to hang themselves." Given all the "cheating" controversy surrounding Ensidia world-firsts in the past, Blizzard was probably itching for a clear justification to punish them. When it became apparent a bug was helping them, the people responsible for the ban probably started looking for signs that they recognized and were intentionally causing the bug to their own advantage -- at which point it becomes actionable. Waiting until they actually get the kill further solidifies Blizzard's side of the argument that the glitch was a necessary component of the kill, and thus undeserving of the Achievement / Loot.
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Post by
pezz
First of all, I'm not sure how clear this is judging by the thread, but Blizzard has every right to ban any account any time they want for any reason. This may feel like semantics but I feel like it's important. We can argue about whether we feel a ban was properly justified, however, but the argument is compounded by the fact that we can argue about what defines properly justified. I also feel that prior general bad feelings should be put aside. Whatever they did on Mimiron or Hodir definitely has no factual bearing on this instance, and only clouds judgement. There are more or less three possible situations here, which I think should be considered before someone decides what they think is a justified ban.
First one: Ensidia simply isn't aware that there is a bug. If that was the case, then I feel the ban was entirely unjustified. I don't believe it is the case however, considering they had fights where it didn't mess up and had done it on ten man.
Second one: Ensidia either isn't sure what exactly the bug
is
versus what is intended, and/or isn't sure why it's happening. They have two choices: Cancel the raid, ticket it, and leave Arthas alone until Blizzard works it out, or continue doing what they're doing and try to down Arthas in the context of what's happening in their fight. Obviously, they chose the latter.
And third: They knew what the bug was and what was causing it and exploited it. That, to me, pretty clearly justifies a ban.
In the second situation, the only one where I really feel the ban is worth discussing, I think their actions were justified. On the last boss of the expansion, when everyone is racing for a world's first, to stop because Blizzard didn't bother to thoroughly debug
the most important fight they'd made in over a year
would be unbelievably frustrating. I wouldn't expect them to if I'd been the one at Blizzard to screw up the encounter. Hence, I don't feel the ban in that situation is appropriate, although removing the loot and world's first achievements would be okay with me. I feel that way because while there was an exploit (which cheapens their world's first), it wasn't done with any malicious intent. If they didn't know why it was bugging, or what exactly the bug was, they can't be expected to figure out how to stop bugging the encounter. This lack of malicious intent for is what separates a justified ban from an unjustified one.
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Post by
karlusdavius
You've been trash talking Ensidia for far too long in this thread. It doesn't matter if they bug abused it on purpose or not, you didn't. No body else did. Hence, they are world first.
Since it's not a "zomg-wtf-instant-kill-everything" bug there is some creativity behind it. Not to mention that there probably isn't any creativity at all behind it because, for as much as I know, they have given lots of reasons why they didn't know of what was causing the bug.
But they had to exploit a bug in order to do it.
And Ensidia is well deserving of the vitriol based on their prior actions.
Karma isn't always good...
you might want to pop over to the ensidia website and read the blogs a few people put. Especially Eoy. Kungens and Poptisse address your "Karma" point perfectly.
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