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Thoughts on Rupture for 10man Raiding
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Post by
Olthoi
Please consider my situation, before telling me to spreadsheet ;)
I was trying to evaluate Rupture cycles last night. I am not able to play during my guild's 25man ICC runs so most of my raiding is in 10man encounters with very limited raid buffs. This week I was the *only* class that had a bleed, and I needed to use it for damned HfB. It felt clunky activating Rupture once a minute, and I couldn't decide if it was worth using a 4+ rupture or 1+ (i.e. Rupture after Ruthlessness proc).
Last night I was testing the now-outdated 51/13/7 vs 51/18/2 and I found that, with no raid buffs/debuffs, my dmg was substantially higher with 51/13/7 (and Rupture glyph) and full, but loose, uptime on Rupture.
This leads me to believe I should continue to spec 51/13/7 for my 10man raids for the following reasons:
~More often than not, I am responsible for the only bleeds, so I might as well sacrifice fleet footed.
~Relentless Strikes is less favorable on an Envenom-only cycle due to energy capping. With the addition of Relentless Strikes, it is easier to integrate Rupture to the equation.
Any thoughts?
Post by
KidB
You are assuming that your fully raid-buffed dps will go up by performing tests (on a dummy, I presume) without being buffed or the target being debuffed. Stop that. Use mavanas' simsheet, it still supports rupture.
Btw, you read the other thread and still decided to post this? Vaelaris had the exact same question.
http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t51449-rogue_dps_simulation_spreadsheet/
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KidB
I think the key here is that you are the only one who is applying a bleed. So simply because of that i would agree with going back to the standard rupture rotation if you are intent on staying muti. but consider changing to combat if you've got the weapons for it. No need for bleeds there
Using rupture is a dps loss. This is undoubtedly true. It doesn't scale as well as the other finishers and it's no surprise we don't use it at this time in the expansion. If you're in a situation where you MUST play in a way that isn't optimal, you want to minimize the loss. This is achieved by performing ruptures with as little combo points as possible. Going for the full rupture rotation will only hurt your dps more than needed.
Post by
Olthoi
KidB:
Please consider my situation, before telling me to spreadsheet ;)
Unfortunately, I do not have the money for MS Office, which the simulation sheet requires. Therefore I am trying my best to do my own testing.
My guild's 10man groups are not organized to maximize raid buffs. We depend more on reliable players that fall in to the tank/healer/melee/ranged categories. For example, on Tuesday I benefited from:
3% crit - poisons (from myself)
4% physical dmg - Savage Combat
155 AP/Agi - Horn of Winter
550 AP - Might
10% stats - Kings
37 stats - MotW
This is far from a "fully raid-buffed dps" situation. Furthermore, Vaelaris had a similar question, but not the same question. I did not want to hijack his thread with my own thoughts. Until you have moderator status on these forums, I will continue to ask educated questions despite your request to "stop". I suggest you take your condescending tone over to Elitist Jerks, as I am sure they'd love some fresh meat.
If you would like to actually assist me with my dilemma, here is my armory. I've listed my raid buffs/debuffs. Report to me how the simulation turns out.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Doomhammer&cn=Olthoi
Or, do your usual thing, and continue to troll the Rogue forums under the guise of "cleaning out the newbs".
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Olthoi
I have Open Office. I love it, and I love shareware, however it does not support the macros required for the simcraft spreadsheet. I've used Aldriana's spreadsheet since Vulajin stopped updating his in 3.1.
I understand how they work, and their limitations.
I was unable to answer my question with my own resources, so I came to the forums.
I appreciate the responses, but I take offense to the tone that KidB uses "over... and over... and over..." despite having no real authority on the matter. If he is tired of answering the questions that arise on the wowhead forums, then EJ is a more suitable place for him.
Last I checked, the tab at top of the page says "Community". Let's make it feel like one.
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