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PhoenixHeart
would this be viable for healing
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#hZhbxhZx0euIeoxkrIRt
or is the xtra 3% int a must for healing as a resto shaman
i was thinking about this cuse the 15% xtra sp, Agi/Str will be helping in some raids, or would it be a minor increase ?
Post by
hashmel
In a 25 man there should be an elem shaman providing Totem of Wrath which would overwrite Flametongue Totem, in a 10 man or 5 mans the little boost isn't going to make much of a difference especially at the cost of intellect as you've done.
0/10/58+3
with the last 3 going toward Elemental Weapons for some added healing or Improved Shields for some added mp5
Post by
Eleazer
In a 25 man there should be an elem shaman providing Totem of Wrath which would overwrite Flametongue Totem, in a 10 man or 5 mans the little boost isn't going to make much of a difference especially at the cost of intellect as you've done.
0/10/58+3
with the last 3 going toward Elemental Weapons for some added healing or Improved Shields for some added mp5
Nope read here
http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t24796-shaman_restoration/
there is no reason to ever spec into Healing Focus. Your spec should be
0/16/55
. Imp Shields is just about mandatory. Elemental weapons can be traded with Enhancing totems if you don't run with an enhance shaman or elemental shaman.
If you are raiding with an Elemental Shaman than hashmel is correct you won't be dropping flametongue as they don't stack. Drop your Fire elemental or your searing totem or even take off your fire totem all together to conserve a bit of mana.
Post by
Mesoforte
there is no reason to ever spec into Healing Focus.
Except when things go wrong, or when you realize not every kill is perfect. I mean its not like almost every member of Ensidia specs into it on their healers...oh wait.
Post by
Eleazer
there is no reason to ever spec into Healing Focus.
Except when things go wrong, or when you realize not every kill is perfect. I mean its not like almost every member of Ensidia specs into it on their healers...oh wait.
You should spec into instant ghost wolf because there might be a possiblity that you need it. Oh, and spec into imp grounding totem for those crazy times when you might be targeted. Better yet spec into reduced threat as well cause you never know when you might need it. Oh man and don't forget to spec into Nature's guardian, because we get hit sometimes when we are near death and it may save your life because not everything goes correctly.
Idiots are a dime a dozen, and you, sir, are that dime.
Post by
tomgc
Sorry, but that is just the most ridiculous comparison. IGW is useless because nothing in ICC nor ToC requires it, back in Ulduar IGW was useful for Freya. Reduced threat is a nonissue because anything that pulls to you was never attacked by the tank in the first place. But Nature's Guardian - yes, that could actually be useful but it doesn't justify spending 5 talent points. These talents are far more specific than pushback resist.
Healing Focus however is consistently usefull over just about any raid you have. Faction Champions, Bonestorm, Deathwhisper's shadowbolt, Gunship gunners, Blood boil, Pungent blight spit, small ooze melee hits will all cause pushback. Accidental lose adds will also cause pushback. HF might be niche use but it is the best thing you have when it goes to good use. A healer being pushed back, is not healing :)
Post by
Mesoforte
there is no reason to ever spec into Healing Focus.
Except when things go wrong, or when you realize not every kill is perfect. I mean its not like almost every member of Ensidia specs into it on their healers...oh wait.
You should spec into instant ghost wolf because there might be a possiblity that you need it. Oh, and spec into imp grounding totem for those crazy times when you might be targeted. Better yet spec into reduced threat as well cause you never know when you might need it. Oh man and don't forget to spec into Nature's guardian, because we get hit sometimes when we are near death and it may save your life because not everything goes correctly.
Idiots are a dime a dozen, and you, sir, are that dime.
Yes, adapting to changing situations is bad and you should feel bad. I remember people specing into Nature's guardian for Hard Mode Ulduar. I know of a few people that speced into instant ghostwolf, mainly because elemental weapons was useless. There are quite a few who go into reduced threat. Grounding totem not so much, but that's because it doesn't absorb a lot. Most boss abilities tend to be immune. However, a PvP spec for FC back when we did it at the right gear level made it a lot easier.
Post by
Eleazer
Sorry, but that is just the most ridiculous comparison. IGW is useless because nothing in ICC nor ToC requires it, back in Ulduar IGW was useful for Freya. Reduced threat is a nonissue because anything that pulls to you was never attacked by the tank in the first place. But Nature's Guardian - yes, that could actually be useful but it doesn't justify spending 5 talent points. These talents are far more specific than pushback resist.
Healing Focus however is consistently usefull over just about any raid you have. Faction Champions, Bonestorm, Deathwhisper's shadowbolt, Gunship gunners, Blood boil, Pungent blight spit, small ooze melee hits will all cause pushback. Accidental lose adds will also cause pushback. HF might be niche use but it is the best thing you have when it goes to good use. A healer being pushed back, is not healing :)
It has already been proven a dozen times that not a single one of those instances actually cause push back. Especially not Blood boil, and that every single one of those are completely avoidable at any time. My point in the over exaggerated talent spec was that he was stating a niche use was mandatory when it isn't.
Post by
Mesoforte
My point in the over exaggerated talent spec was that he was stating a niche use was
mandatory
when it isn't.
Hmmm? When was it mandatory?
Post by
windstrum
there is no reason to ever spec into Healing Focus. Your spec should be
0/16/55
. Imp Shields is just about mandatory. Elemental weapons can be traded with Enhancing totems if you don't run with an enhance shaman or elemental shaman.
If you are raiding with an Elemental Shaman than hashmel is correct you won't be dropping flametongue as they don't stack. Drop your Fire elemental or your searing totem or even take off your fire totem all together to conserve a bit of mana.
Firstly, Healing Focus is a MUST, and I really wish #$%^wits like you would stop telling others not to take it. There are MANY fights that involve
raid damage
that
causes pushback
. Your job is to keep people alive, and boy do you look effing stupid when raid members start dying because you couldn't complete a chain heal.
Secondly, stop recommending Elemental Weapons. It does almost nothing for a resto shaman. If you're stupid enough to take this instead of Healing Focus, you really are the wrong person to be giving out resto shaman advice.
Post by
Eleazer
there is no reason to ever spec into Healing Focus. Your spec should be
0/16/55
. Imp Shields is just about mandatory. Elemental weapons can be traded with Enhancing totems if you don't run with an enhance shaman or elemental shaman.
If you are raiding with an Elemental Shaman than hashmel is correct you won't be dropping flametongue as they don't stack. Drop your Fire elemental or your searing totem or even take off your fire totem all together to conserve a bit of mana.
Firstly, Healing Focus is a MUST, and I really wish #$%^wits like you would stop telling others not to take it. There are MANY fights that involve
raid damage
that
causes pushback
. Your job is to keep people alive, and boy do you look effing stupid when raid members start dying because you couldn't complete a chain heal.
Secondly, stop recommending Elemental Weapons. It does almost nothing for a resto shaman. If you're stupid enough to take this instead of Healing Focus, you really are the wrong person to be giving out resto shaman advice.
There are no fights that cause pushback, read your notes dingo. It has been stated adnauseum in Elitistjerks that every single fight in ICC causes no noticable push back if you even have concentration aura. If you can't take the time to pay attention and read than you are an idiot. Even Meso stated he keeps it for when things screw up mostly. There are not numerous raid wide damage situations that cause it. Go to EJ's and read the list of every boss that they state causes pushback that isn't completely avoidable. You will find one on there - Algalon from Ulduar. That's it. Nice try go find another rock to run into.
Post by
windstrum
There are no fights that cause pushback, read your notes dingo. It has been stated adnauseum in Elitistjerks that every single fight in ICC causes no noticable push back if you even have concentration aura. If you can't take the time to pay attention and read than you are an idiot. Even Meso stated he keeps it for when things screw up mostly. There are not numerous raid wide damage situations that cause it. Go to EJ's and read the list of every boss that they state causes pushback that isn't completely avoidable. You will find one on there - Algalon from Ulduar. That's it. Nice try go find another rock to run into.
Just off the top of my head, Marrowgar's Bone Storm
absolutely
causes pushback. That's reason enough for me to take the talent and not look incompetent to my raid leaders.
Edit: I just wanted to add that I did read your little EJ link. And I quote:
The fights in which there is
notable
spell pushback are listed below:
* Algalon from the Constellations
Even you could agree that calling something "notable" is pretty bloody dubious. I wanted to make it clear to someone who apparently knows the article like the back of their hand that it does
not
list "every boss that they state causes pushback that isn't completely avoidable" like you seemed to believe it did. (And no, Bone Storm is not "completely avoidable"). Instead it lists "fights in which there is notable spell pushback" which I've already pointed out is a dubious statement.
Regardless, I don't intend to turn this into a verbal stoush of language. I've already seen you attempt to "win" arguments by besting somebody else's grasp of the English language. In this case, mere logic will win the day.
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