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Mana issues as holy spec
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Post by
xXJamieXx
Lately ive been noticing that my mana is being used more rapidly, and im not sure what im doing wrong. Currently in ICC, i have been going OOM before the other healers even reach 3/4 mana.
my armoury link is
here
Whilst healing, this is how i do my heals:
if someone has taken about 2000-6000 damage ill throw a
renew
on them,
for 6000-10000 ill do a
flash heal
10000+ ill do a greater heal
if 4 or more people have 5000+ damage ill do a
circle of healing
prayer of mending
ill always start off on the OT, or anyone who has aggro at the time
when big damage takes place through AoE (festergut, torovan, etc) i use
prayer of healing
is it my gear, spec or the way i use my heals that is causing this, it seems i am always calling for an innervate, even after ive used things such as
Shadowfiend
or
Hymn of Hope
.
I never seemed to have this problem before, it is only since ICC that it has started to occur.
Post by
Braevia
When are you using your Shadowfiend? When are you using Hymn of Hope? Also, what raid buffs are you getting? Are you divvying up the healing assignments? You could be wasting a lot of mana on heals that are getting sniped (Renew). Also, if you're dropping Renews on someone with 2k damage who isn't taking any other damage, then most of that Renew is going to be wasted.
I haven't raided regularly on my Priest in a while, but I'll hazard a guess that your real problem is spamming PoH during raid damage.
Gear-wise, you might be a little light on Spirit for a Holy Priest, but I don't feel qualified to say that definitively.
Post by
Meggie
Ouch my unbuffed mana pool is 10k bigger than yours. I sacrificed 300 spellpower for 50% more max mana and 50% more spirit.
In Icecrown you cannot heal reactively. If you do the other healers will blow you out of the water. Your party will be better off with an extra dps instanced of you. You got to balance regeneration accordingly.
Post by
xXJamieXx
I dont spam PoH alot, each time a large bit of damage takes place i might do one, then top that off with a circle of healing.
As for shadowfiend and hymn of hope, i tend to use shadowfiend at around 15-20% mana, or if i know that a heroism is coming soon i will wait and pop it a few seconds before hand so that the pet gains the haste buff. Hymn of hope i generally use if i am around 10% mana, although it feels like a waste since the other healers and casters dont seem to use as much mana as me.
Your point about renew seems like it could be the problem, although i dont use it very often. Flash heal is what i use most often.
I normally raid with a holy paladin and a resto shaman as the other healers, with the pally being on tanks, the shaman being only on the raid, and myself on the raid and OT.
Regarding my gear, i have spoken to other priests (Holy and disc) and i have more mp5 than any of them by 200 or so, yet i STILL am having these problems. This makes me think it isnt gear based, but more about my playstyle.
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Post by
karlusdavius
Improved Healing, at this gear level, is the worst place to put talent points into. Greater Heal already scales too well with other talents and spell power. No need for more.
Check the stickies out. The full AoE build is probably best suited for you
Post by
Braevia
It's also possible that your Shadowfiend is getting popped before he can restore his full potential mana...not much you can do, but picking up the minor glyph would make this suck a little less.
Post by
Meggie
We got the tanks into one group. I'm using PoH as a "binding heal" on these tanks.
With 35k mana / 1500 spirit I can keep up forever.
I Use priority casting, spamming it like a destro lock:
1: PoM on the tank
2: PoH (only with 3 serendipity) on the tank
3: CoH on the tank
4: Flash Heal on the tank
.......
5: raid heals
This gets me on par with resto druids. That is: close to number 1 healing and 65% to 75% overheal.
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Post by
karlusdavius
We got the tanks into one group. I'm using PoH as a "binding heal" on these tanks.
With 35k mana / 1500 spirit I can keep up forever.
I Use priority casting, spamming it like a destro lock:
1: PoM on the tank
2: PoH (only with 3 serendipity) on the tank
3: CoH on the tank
4: Flash Heal on the tank
.......
5: raid heals
This gets me on par with resto druids. That is: close to number 1 healing and 65% to 75% overheal.
you suggest that when he has mana problems. What are you playing this game for? enjoyment or hitting numebr one on a healing meter. This info is not at all relevent to the topic.
Post by
Erethzium
Your gems are too random, and not the right ones, either. A raiding Holy priest should have ALL int/SP gems, with Spirit/SP gems to match socket bonuses, but only if the bonus is 7SP or higher.
Also, get rid of Fetish of Volatile Power. It's generally a !@#$ty trinket, and a DPS trinket, at that. At least get the int trinket from ToC5 normal, or if you can do ToC25, Solace of the Defeated.
Why so much hit gear, is what I must as as well. Hit is wasted itemization on your gear, as you don't need it at all, as a healer. The wand I can understand as the only other wand at T9 level is an insanely rare drop from Icehowl, and the first wand drop you'll get in ICC10 is from BQL, and it's a DPS wand, at that.
Also, if you're not specifically a tank healer, Divine Fury is useless. I never, EVER cast Greater Heal in my raids, as there's simply no need for it, as the healing will be done by the tank healer before Gheal goes off, even with 3 stacks of Serendipity.
Try
this spec
, as it's the one I was suggested a while ago, and it works fine for me. 3/3 Empowered Renew is NOT needed, you only need 1 point in it to allow Renew to crit. What other people said about talents stands, as well.
Post by
xXJamieXx
thanks for the tips, i accidentally logged out in my shadow spec, so my gear is all ^&*! right now (still trying to complete my OS), ill log in and change next i have a chance.
i will take my talents out of things improving greater heal (Divine Fury, Improved healing, empowered healing) since i probably only use that once or twice a fight.
also i have been using my shadowfiend and hymn of hope at 20%ish of mana REMAINING. have i been doing that wrong the whole time, because i thought that if i did it at 20% gone, it would be a waste, especially since when i use shadowfiend right before a heroism it returns a full bar of mana.
as for gems, should i be using only SP/int and SP/spirit? i read a guide on elitist jerks and there was a whole list they said were good :S
the food i normally eat is either a fish feast or
this
or
this
Post by
Meggie
We got the tanks into one group. I'm using PoH as a "binding heal" on these tanks.
With 35k mana / 1500 spirit I can keep up forever.
I Use priority casting, spamming it like a destro lock:
1: PoM on the tank
2: PoH (only with 3 serendipity) on the tank
3: CoH on the tank
4: Flash Heal on the tank
.......
5: raid heals
This gets me on par with resto druids. That is: close to number 1 healing and 65% to 75% overheal.
you suggest that when he has mana problems. What are you playing this game for? enjoyment or hitting numebr one on a healing meter. This info is not at all relevent to the topic.
Yes. This tells about my style, my equipment and the things me and my raid can do in Icecrown.
The gap between 'I try this but it doesn't work' and a more successful approach can be large. Much larger than replacing a couple of gems.
Post by
Erethzium
as for gems, should i be using only SP/int and SP/spirit? i read a guide on elitist jerks and there was a whole list they said were good :S
SP/Int is best for Holy, because it increases your mana pool, and your throughput at the same time. Increasing your mana pool gives you higher regen from Shadowfiend and Hymn, along with Replenishment, and other-class things like Mana Tide Totem. DO NOT gem straight Int, though. Too much mana and not enough SP is not a good thing.
the food i normally eat is either a fish feast or
this
or
this
You should be eating
Firecracker Salmon
, but if you still see your mana waning during raids, don't be afraid to use Mp5 food.
Also, what are you using for flask/elixir? You should be using Frost Wyrm, or if you find that your mana is waning, Pure Mojo.
Post by
xXJamieXx
I normally use pure mojo flask, due to my OOM problems. However on my server, i have seen pure mojo be double the price of the Frost Wyrm ones, so i occasionally use those.
As i continue to upgrade my gear ill start to use SP/int gems alot more (i cant afford to go out and just re-gem my current gear)
I changed back into my holy spec/gear so the armoury is updated with that.
Post by
turkey
I normally raid with a holy paladin and a resto shaman as the other healers, with the pally being on tanks, the shaman being only on the raid, and myself on the raid and OT.
Judging from this, I assume we're discussing a ten man raid group. Are all your dps specced fully into replenishment, especially the
ret pally
I hope you raid with? If not, you'll need to stack some extra regen.
* use of shadowfiend- was unclear if you are using when you only have 15-20% mana left or when 15-20% of your mana gone. Hopefully its the latter. I usually pop my fiend when I'm at 70-75% mana. This way if its a long fight I should be able to squeeze in using him again. Same thing with Hymn ( although I forget the cooldown on that )
On the money. In longer fights, getting two shadowfiend and hymn pops is a vital part of proper mana management. Timing them with bloodlust (cast fiend and hymn right before bl is cast) and mana tide totems maximize the regen further. Make sure you're communicating with your shaman when you both decide to blow your mana cooldowns.
Also, for a quick fix, replace
Talisman
with
some
other
regen
trinket for some immediate relief.
Post by
karlusdavius
We got the tanks into one group. I'm using PoH as a "binding heal" on these tanks.
With 35k mana / 1500 spirit I can keep up forever.
I Use priority casting, spamming it like a destro lock:
1: PoM on the tank
2: PoH (only with 3 serendipity) on the tank
3: CoH on the tank
4: Flash Heal on the tank
.......
5: raid heals
This gets me on par with resto druids. That is: close to number 1 healing and 65% to 75% overheal.
you suggest that when he has mana problems. What are you playing this game for? enjoyment or hitting numebr one on a healing meter. This info is not at all relevent to the topic.
Yes. This tells about my style, my equipment and the things me and my raid can do in Icecrown.
The gap between 'I try this but it doesn't work' and a more successful approach can be large. Much larger than replacing a couple of gems.
you literally make no sense what so ever.
Post by
rainkeltoia
I would strongly suggest you use your next frost badges for a
cloak
because using the one you have on is going to kill you. If its going to be a while for those 60, get a tailor to make you
Wispcloak
.
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