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Feral Agression Vs. Feral Instinct
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Post by
Kastoli
Single Target DPS Spec:
Link!
AoE DPS Spec:
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I pose the question, due to how inoften we actually use
Ferocious Bite
, you wouldn't loose too much Single Target DPS by dropping two points from
Feral Agression
and adding them to eigther
Feral Instinct
(For the Single Target Spec) or
Shredding Attacks
(For the AoE Spec) and effectively merging both specs into a rounded spec for all occacions.
I realise that for high end raiding people will still probably revert back to the Single Target DPS Spec listed above as even though it is only a slight increase in damage, every point counts.
Modified (Rounded) DPS Spec:
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What is everyones opinion on this?
(Note: Single Target & AoE DPS Specs are from Elitist Jerks and are accurate through simulation to provide the maximum possible damage output at a BiS gear level.)
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524425
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Post by
Kastoli
Modified (Rounded) DPS Spec:
Link!
Unless another feral is providing it, ILotP should be taken, 2 points from FA to get it. I also prefer NI over FA, but your choice.
I would also say that, for your AoE spec, putting two points from FA into SA would improve it. There are times when there are 1 or 2 mobs left alive, and SR is still up, during which mangle -> shred would do more damage than swipe -> swipe.
ILotP and NI provides absolutely no boost to damage at all, and as such i've ignored them. Even if there is no other feral druid providing ILotP me taking it would reduce my damage and hurt the raid more than it would gain.
I understand the reason for taking it to eleviate healers, and give hunters mana back (shamans and paladins will always have ample mana in raid situations); but these effects are not damage boosts and are more utility factors that 'can' come with taking a feral druid. I'm speaking of damage and only damage as talenting factors.
The damage testing done on the AoE spec is only provided there is 3 or more enemies alive at all times for statistical data (Unless there are circumstances where its going to be effective 90% of the time there would be no point in an AoE spec).
I'de also like to note that, as much as your opinions are valid... Unless its going to increase my damage I don't really care for comments not relating to the origonally posed question.
Post by
Tarkeel
ILotP only gives mana back to you; the heal is the only part that is raidwide.
Post by
Kastoli
ILotP only gives mana back to you; the heal is the only part that is raidwide.
Even less useful, as I don't need mana as feral :D
Post by
MegaVolt
ILotP and NI provides absolutely no boost to damage at all, and as such i've ignored them. Even if there is no other feral druid providing ILotP me taking it would reduce my damage and hurt the raid more than it would gain.
This is ignorant.
A dead cat does exactly 0 damage. There are plenty of fights with massive raid damage so ILotP and NI are a godsent for your healers and might save lives. Sacrificing 0.5% of your dps for talents that can potentially prevent a wipe is certainly worth it.
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Post by
Sokken
ILotP and NI provides absolutely no boost to damage at all, and as such i've ignored them. Even if there is no other feral druid providing ILotP me taking it would reduce my damage and hurt the raid more than it would gain.
This is ignorant.
A dead cat does exactly 0 damage. There are plenty of fights with massive raid damage so ILotP and NI are a godsent for your healers and might save lives. Sacrificing 0.5% of your dps for talents that can potentially prevent a wipe is certainly worth it.
what he said
Post by
LookOut
ILotP and NI provides absolutely no boost to damage at all, and as such i've ignored them. Even if there is no other feral druid providing ILotP me taking it would reduce my damage and hurt the raid more than it would gain.
This is ignorant.
A dead cat does exactly 0 damage. There are plenty of fights with massive raid damage so ILotP and NI are a godsent for your healers and might save lives. Sacrificing 0.5% of your dps for talents that can potentially prevent a wipe is certainly worth it.
QFT, my kitty offspec has both! (I also found the healing boost from NI quite handy for fights like sapphiron ^^)
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303745
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Post by
curlymon
ILotP is good for PvE but only 1 feral need provide it.
NI is used by too many ferals to give them an excuse to stay on target longer when they should be moving their butts out of the bad crap. NI is not worth taking unless you are specing for a very specific progression fight and your healers cannot keep up with the raid healing needed. Nutshell NI is for PvP...
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303745
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Post by
curlymon
hmmm... with the 55/16 AoE build, the choice is to put either 1 pnt into Feral Aggression or NI. So, either boost FB dmg by a piddly 3% or provide a constant source of additional healing to yourself. Either choice is perfectly valid, but I know what I prefer :)
Explain to me how you would want/need NI in an AoE build? The idea of an AoE build for kitties seems a bit pointless since just about everyfight now is nearly pure singletarget...
Post by
MegaVolt
Explain to me how you would want/need NI in an AoE build? The idea of an AoE build for kitties seems a bit pointless since just about everyfight now is nearly pure singletarget...
Deathwhisper, Dreamwalker and most importantly the Lich King (transition phase!) should have plenty of opportunities to swipe.
Think of NI not just as a personal buff. Imagine every class in the game had a talent like NI. Imagine you could increase your healing received of the whole raid by 20% for the cost of 2 talent points for each class. Can you imagine how much heat that would take off the healers? I'm sure you certainly would jump at that chance, right?
Now sadly not all classes have a talent like NI. But now that we know it's an awesome thing to have in the raid it's the logical choice to at least take it on the classes that can.
Post by
Kastoli
I'm going to say this in the nicest way possible, I don't give a $%^& about your opinions of NI or ILotP. This thread should've been from the start, a discussion about the replacement of points from FA into FI essentially merging both single target and aoe specs.
None of the EJ cat dps builds (or none i've seen) containt eigther NI or ILotP, I understand the reason it is useful, and the reason it helps the raid, but I couldn't care less in reguards to my question.
The specs that I have used above to examine my point are PURE DPS SPECS with no thought into survivability beyond Survival Instincts; to emphasise my point, apparantly everyone who has posted about NI or ILotP are too ignorant and oblivious to this fact to contribute to the discussion.
The entire idea behind this thread, was to recieve opinions on maximising Swipe dps as opposed to maximising Ferocious Bite dps, and that is all, in no way was this a discussion thread for the usefulness of NI or ILotP.
Post by
MegaVolt
Learn to read.
Feral Agression is, as I wrote, utter crap. The overall dps increase is completely neglectible. If you want a general purpose build just take points out of FA and put them anywhere you want to.
Swipe is an awesome start. ILotP and NI are two other great places for those points that would be wasted in FA.
By the way, I'd say that NI is a greater boost to your survivability than SI. Do you ever really use SI when in cat form?
Post by
curlymon
I'm going to say this in the nicest way possible, I don't give a $%^& about your opinions of NI or ILotP. This thread should've been from the start, a discussion about the replacement of points from FA into FI essentially merging both single target and aoe specs.
Welcome to the druid forums nothing ever stays on topic if it gets over a page long.
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524425
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