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Fury spec and heroic strike
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Porcell
Saw a similarly geared fury warrior in VOA 25 pulling 9k dps and his #1 damage dealer was HS. I am still scratching my head. I have tried to work HS into my rotation but even when timed properly it is never near the top of my damage meters. What's the trick?
Once you have good enough gear you never have to worry about being raged starved. That means you can queue heroic strike for virtually every single main hand white swing. Your offhand white swings are usually enough to give you enough rage for your BT/WW/HS.
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LunaticParadise
When I first joined my guild a few months back, there was this fury warrior with pretty awesome gear considering their progression level. Worried me a little at first as I was also fury at the time. We ran our first icc25 and I ended up 3-4k above him on the Saurfang encounter.
I looked a little closer and saw HS was down at # 5 or 6 on the meter. I asked him about it and he appearently had no idea that HS didn't count toward your global cooldown and could be queued (rage permitting) whenever you wanted it to be, even during the rest of you "rotation"
Make sure you're not this guy. It's a world-changing dps boost.
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masti
Saw a similarly geared fury warrior in VOA 25 pulling 9k dps and his #1 damage dealer was HS. I am still scratching my head. I have tried to work HS into my rotation but even when timed properly it is never near the top of my damage meters. What's the trick?
Once you have good enough gear you never have to worry about being raged starved. That means you can queue heroic strike for virtually every single main hand white swing. Your offhand white swings are usually enough to give you enough rage for your BT/WW/HS.
Also there is a typical misconception by showing HS in damage meter and actual damage gain.
Hs damage is melee swing + flat bonus damage. To calculate actual hs damage you need to substract avarage melee swing damage of it.
Basically the gain of using HS is much lesser than recount is showing.
You would also have to take in fact that HS gives a sure hit too, unlike white swings that can wiff alot, so the damage gain calculation isnt really that simple either.
Post by
obixcx
Good thread , However as new fury moved from arms, I'm wondering at what point would you queue HS?. after WW or before? before a slam or during?
confused..
Thanks
Post by
Docholiday77
its doesnt matter when, if you have rage hit it. It has no effect on your gcd.
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LunaticParadise
Good thread , However as new fury moved from arms, I'm wondering at what point would you queue HS?. after WW or before? before a slam or during?
confused..
Thanks
As Doc said, it has no effect on your other moves at all. Queue it whenever you're above 50 rage (Personal preference, I also see 60 floating around)
Anyway, as you get more crit and higher level gear in general, you'll get to the point where in most bossfight, you literally never stop queuing it. Ever. Before you're at that point, careful not to rage starve yourself and prioritize WW and BT over it.
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seizmik
@Zakkhar : HS has 8% chance to hit, no glancing and it's affected by Impale :). I'm also pretty sure that the bonus when the targed is dazed will be applied whenever the targer is affected by Thunder Clap or any similar spell. In the end, HS is just more than an improved melee hit.
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Shiverlynn
Dazed is dazed. It's a dazing effect, not a slowing effect, although both effects do the same thing. HS will not be affected by a TC debuff on the target.
(Proof : the old Warbringer did not remove Dazed effects although it did remove slows)
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seizmik
I was thinking about something like mage's torment of weak, but I guess I was wrong!
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LunaticParadise
What ilvl weapons do you need to get to this point? Or is it dependent on all of your gear?
It's not about weapons specifically but about gear in general. I find in personal experience that a certain amount of crit pretty much seals the "omgspamHS4ever" deal. I try and stay above 45% unbuffed, giving me a solid 50 with only my rampage. With the Heroic strike glyph and off hand crits both feeding you constant rage, you should be fine.
Just don't get into the habit of assume you'll always have rage. Starving yourself, as rare as it may be, leaves you sitting there for 3-5 seconds waiting on that melee swing for minimal rage.
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lonewarrior
OK..here is a copied piece from Tankspot(the same people most of use for boss videos) about heroic strike and fury warriors and the link for the entire guide. A good read for all fury warriors.
http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?57781-Wotlk-Fury-Warrior-Guide
_Heroic Strike__
Now I am going to be discussing Heroic Strike, which is our rage dump.
Please note that all of this information also applies to Cleave, which should be instead of Heroic Strike if there are two or more mobs close enough together to be hit by Cleave.
Heroic strike is a very deceiving ability for a few reasons:
even though it says it only costs 12 rage if you have 3 points in improved heroic strike, it actually costs much more than that. This is because whenever you use heroic strike, your next main hand swing will not generate any rage, which could easily be as much as 30 rage. So in reality it means that heroic strike costs somewhere around 40-45 rage, just for an ability that does 495 damage.
Which leads me to the next deceptive aspect of heroic strike: its damage.
A very common misconception about heroic strike that some warriors make is that heroic strike does a lot of damage. They say this because they see the numbers on their screen and in their combat log that says heroic strike did a lot of damage. While this is ok that they see this, the important thing to note is what you don’t see. And what you don’t see is a main hand auto attack. Most of heroic strikes damage which you see on your screen and in your combat log is actually damage that would have happened anyway.
if you did not que up a heroic strike because you would have had a normal auto attack from your main hand, so you would have done the same amount of damage, just 495 damage less.
please note that using heroic strike will prevent your mainhand swing from being a glancing blow, as well as making it affected by Impale. This means that over a longer time scale the DPS increase of using heroic strike will be more than just because of the addition of 495 damage. However this still does not make heroic strike an amazing DPS ability, you should be using Heroic strike as a rage dump and not an ability that can boost your DPS by a large amount.
The reason why we use heroic strike in our DPS rotation is because even though we do not want to become rage starved, we also do not want to become rage capped, which means to be at 100 rage. This is because when you are at 100 rage your auto attacks will not generate any additional rage which means that you are essentially wasting rage that you could have had and heroic strike is what helps use keep from hitting 100 rage.
this quote from Ariedan's Prot warrior guide is another great explaination of how Heroic Strike and rage dumps in general work:
Quote Originally Posted by Ariedan
One thing to keep in mind is the nature of rage. A lot of the time, you have more rage than you know what to do with. But at times, you will find yourself having a difficult time gaining rage. In those situations, you need to be careful so you do not rage starve yourself. People refer to rage dumps as a "gas pedal," where you must learn to let it go every bit or so to gain rage. You should never rage starve yourself to the point of lacking rage for your rotation.
A general rule for using heroic strike is if you have under 50 rage you should NOT use heroic strike, and if you have more than 50 rage go ahead and use heroic strike but only use it once or twice.
Never spam heroic strike
always be in control of when you use it.
Please note that my definition of "spamming" means to be mindlessly hitting the button. with full raid buffs and high quality gear it is very possible to be able to use HS on every main hand swing. there is nothing wrong with doing this, but just make sure that you can recognize when you should not use HS and act accordingly. Using HS is fine, just don't make it cause rage problems.
When raiding with high amount of crit (50% or more) while using a glyph of heroic strike the negative effects caused by mindless heroic strike spam will be noticeably negated. this does NOT completely stop these negative effects of mindless HS spamming, you will still be able to rage starve your self if you do not pay attention to it.
NEVER, EVER, spam heroic strike. It is not worth it.
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