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Post by
Polatrite
Hello, I am
a druid moron
who recently leveled a druid to 72. As I am approaching 80, I am wondering about a good PVP healing build for a Battleground focus. I searched around and couldn't find much recent (post 3.1) data on Dreamstate (28/0/43).
Is this a remotely viable build for Battlegrounds? It seems like it could provide a little better damage where necessary (SotA vehicles, IoC turrets/vehicles, general purpose damage) without sacrificing too much in the way of healing.
Can someone advise on this topic, preferably from personal experience (success/failure with the build in BGs)?
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Post by
ljudsnubbe
I dont know, the whole idea of a hybridspecc is doing a little bit of everything. Dpsing + cycloning breaks treeform, and its to manaexpencive to pop back into treeform everytime you cast cyclone or dot someone. I go with a insectswarm-specc for BGs and 2vs2, and Im almost never in treeform (always spamming cyclone, dotting, spamming wrath, while at the same time keeping people hotted and swiftmend where needed)
Speccing into Improved tree of life and Master Shapeshifter is a wait of talentpoints if you want a hybridspecc (you still need the treeform for the 20% mana-discount on hots + I use it to break polys and roots etc).
I use something like this
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0vG0zbhoZZf0IuMuxwzAhof:jRk
or if your a thorns-fan (wich I am)
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0vGczb0oZZf0IuMuxwzAhof:jRk
If you spend much time in treeform you should focus on healing, not go for insectswarm or starlight wrath, leave cc to others, and specc something like this
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0VG0uZZf0IubuxizAhsio:jRk
Post by
ljudsnubbe
Edit: One more thing! the great thing about not being in treeform is that the enemy will not zerg you. Treeform = instant death in most BGs.
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340332
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Post by
ljudsnubbe
I agree, forms suck for BGs, and a Healing touch build is also kind of fun. Some bad things about your build though:
-No armorbonus at all (neither moonking form, Improved tree of life, of improved barkskin) wich sucks.
-Only 10% dispell-protection. 30% is probably not needed in BGs, but I like to do some arena aswell, and there you definatly need it (but sure, for BGs its totaly fine).
-No Natures reach, so both your dps-spells and cc:s will be short-ranged.
-3/3 in Living Spirit seems useless to me, it doesnt help your survivability or dps, and pvp-gear is to short on spirit for it to boost your regen very much.
If you want more mana, remove points from living spirit, put one point in Tree of life to get 20% cheaper hots, even if your not in treeform + you can gain the advantage to shift into treeform and give all people arounde you 6% extra healing (when its safe to do so). Breaking polys can be done to treeform instead of feralforms, adding 6% to healing until you cast your next balance-spell. the other 2 talentpoint can be put in moonglow of dreamstate for more regen, or why not Balance of power to boost your survivability?
Id go with something like this if you wanna have a HT-specc, sacrificing thorns (allthough I love it) for some extra mana, and survivablity against casters:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0EGbz0IocbZZfVouVuxbzA0o:bRk
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ljudsnubbe
You are probably right about moonglow/brambles, I just love rogues/warriors/dks slowly killing themself by beating on me ;)
And I pick up ToL for the 20% cheaper hots, wich is HUGE for only costing 1 talent.
Cya laterz, on my way to respecc ^^
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Post by
Nate2125
So this is the build:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0VGbubfoZZf0IubuxwzA0sb:fkjVzM
I've been using since the release of Wrath for my BG resto spec. I'm not sure what these other guys are talking about, but take the Tree Form talent. You get armor, increased healing, and a battle taunt (tree form dance) from one talent.
If people see you throwing heals it doesn't matter if you're in tree form or not in a BG, they'll focus you anyways since you're a threat to a fight.
If you need to be offensive and throw out some CC like roots, bear bash and cyclone then go ahead switch forms. Its not a rediculous amount of mana and for the amount of mana you're saving on your heals while in tree form it won't hurt to shift out once in a while.
That being said if you are needing to lock down two opponents for quite some time, well then of course you're going to need to stay out of tree form for needed time.
Anyways onto to the title topic. Restokin is basically dead. I tried it at about 2100 rating in 2s and BGs. You have the survival of a moonkin (little if any) and the heals of a moonkin (Sufficient, but definitely lacking). The only benefit to Restokin is the great mana regen you'll have and the ability to be more offensive then defensive.
If I can advise you with one piece of information that the above posters were correct about though is: You WILL be focused more then other played while in a specialized form.That being said though, 9 times out of 10 players will attack a moonkin before a tree. A moonkin is known for its burst and weak survival while a tree is known for surviving forever and then some. At the moment I play as a balance druid and I get focused quite hard in battlegrounds and arenas, and luckily for myself I have full relentless so I have some survival, but as an undergeared restokin you will want to quit the game after every respawn.
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ljudsnubbe
Nate, the OP asked if there was any talentbuilds capable of healing deacent in BGs, while still having the ability to help with dps when needed. Dreamstate offered that before, now we have to do it differently. Your specc is fine and all, but its a 100% healingbuild.
I've been using since the release of Wrath for my BG resto spec. I'm not sure what these other guys are talking about, but take the Tree Form talent. You get armor, increased healing, and a battle taunt (tree form dance) from one talent.
Ok you got a point there about the dance..
If people see you throwing heals it doesn't matter if you're in tree form or not in a BG, they'll focus you anyways since you're a threat to a fight.
True, but BGs are full of idiots: priests, shamans and palas are not as obvious healers as a walking TREE! OMG KILL THE HEALER FFS! NUKE THE TREE! Treeform means youll be zerged.
If you need to be offensive and throw out some CC like roots, bear bash and cyclone then go ahead switch forms. Its not a rediculous amount of mana and for the amount of mana you're saving on your heals while in tree form it won't hurt to shift out once in a while.
1. When playing out of form you can go like this: heal, cyclone, heal, wrath, heal, heal, FF, insectswarm, heal, cyclone, wrath etc.. In treeform you can go like this. Heal, heal, heal, heal, heal, heal... roots... heal, heal, heal, heal.. dont get me wrong, heals are good, but so is spamming cc:s and dotting enemies, backup-dpsing etc.
2. You dont get cheaper heals only in treeform anymore, hots are cheaper even if you are in casterform.
Of course I go tree from time to time, for the 6%heal-aura, but in a hybridspecc there are better things to spend your talentpoints in then improving a form you will almost never be in.
If you spend alot of time in treeform, deep resto is the best, no doubt about it, but playing hybridspecced have many advantages, and most important: its FUN.
The only benefit to Restokin is the great mana regen you'll have and the ability to be more offensive then defensive.
Thats the way some people like it, more offencive then a pure healerspecc, but still ok to heal with. Just dont specc hybrid and think you can heal AS GOOD AS a pure restospecc.
Hybridspecc for arena: Not a very good idea
Hybridspecc for BGs: A very good idea (but so is doing BGs as deep resto, choose whatever you think is the most fun).
Post by
Nate2125
ljudsnubbe is pretty bang on. I'm a little biased to Restokin only because I tried playing it in arenas and it failed miserably. With my deep resto build I'm always running with two other dps so I never have to worry about dpsing and only cc'ing. If you run solo most of the time then yes, Restokin would be a more versatile and fun option.
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