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Post by
Adamsm
The Forsaken have Dark RangersFix'd that for you.
Post by
Orranis
The Forsaken have Dark RangersFix'd that for you.
Oops. Sorry, my OCD on Trolls made me do that ;p.
Post by
Adamsm
Lol.
Post by
Skreeran
As far as Zeliak goes, I'm willing to bet that he
is
canon, but he's
unique
in his ability to use the Light.
It's also possible that the ability to use the Light as an undead requires extreme dedication that most Forsaken simply don't have.
Wowwiki notes that some Forsaken have been known to use the Light, namely:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Garments_of_Darkness
http://www.wowspoilers.com/Warcraft/Card/March-Of-The-Legion/Chancellor-Velora.html
Point is, the Light being the way it is (namely, alive), I think it's kindof a blanket statement to say that no undead can ever use the Light. There are always exceptions.
Then again, it could be like the Broken, where the Light wants to reach them, but is blocked from doing so. Still, it just makes sense (to me at least), that with extreme dedication, an undead may be able to use the Light.
Post by
dumac
lets see here, we have two races here. Forsaken(undead with free will, technically not a race as so, more of a group) and tauren(A race of cow people).
Tauren are alive, they nurture and love nature. They also worships the earthmother, a spirit of the nature. The steps from paladin is not really great, due they can accept alot of the morality in it.
Forsaken, a group of undead lorderon citizen mostly, humans who are dead in decaying bodies, but with a free will and soul(yes i said soul, due most undeads does have a soul who explains why many of them gone insane). They are Undead, they are an abomation to the living and all good. The light burns them because they should not exist, they are a parasite in the world of living. The priests of the undead does use shadow energy to heal and nurture allies, with shared disciplines as the humans church of light.
To answer the question if both races can have paladins, then the answer is yes.
Tauren can be paladins easily due they are basically good and the ideas of light can be mixed into tauren culture with an deity worship based structure(the sun).
Undead cannot use the light bcs it burns them, allthough they could use shadow energies like the undead priests. These may look odd due paladins are light servants, but it is a possible connections. Just look at them like some perverted paladin, who instead of protecting the innocent, may protect them only if they gain something in the long run of it. Allthough i must confess it will look like some sort of dk based philosophy for the undeads.
Most undeads cannot wield light, only a few manage to withstand it's burning power.
For me taurens seems more likely than an undead paladin, it is just too weird due paladins hates undead, and most of it devotion are to kill undeads!
Post by
Skreeran
That's an interesting thought... A shadow paladin... Hmmm...
Would never be ingame, of course, but iteresting for loer and roleplaying purposes.
Again, I think that it is possible for the Forsaken to learn to use the Light with extreme dedication and training.
The Holy Light teaches that there is a connection between the self and the universe. This connection manifests as what we feel through both senses and emotions. When a person is moved, through seeing something breathtaking or feeling love for another, that emotion connects him to the universe. Experiencing the emotion ensures that he exists, as something within him felt the emotions or processed the sensual awareness. Because he exists, so must the universe that gave him that feeling. From there, he can act upon the universe, causing more changes to create feeling in others. Thus, the followers of Holy Light seek to make the world a better place by being true to their own emotions.
The next step in recognizing this connection between the self and the universe is developing the goodness within and without. If one wishes for happiness, one must work to better the universe to make others happy. Experiencing the glory and beauty of the world will in turn tap into the inner beauty and glory within one's soul. However, giving in to greed, despair, and unhappiness will only darken the universe. The Holy Light is the glory of the universe reflected upon the soul and mirrored back onto itself.
Doesn't seem like there is any real barrier there preventing them from using it. The only issue is a), the fact that they aren't alive, and thus less connected with other living things, and b), their own negative outlook that darkens the universe, rather than accessing the Light.
Post by
Monday
Undead cannot use the light bcs it burns them, allthough they could use shadow energies like the undead priests. These may look odd due paladins are light servants, but it is a possible connections. Just look at them like some perverted paladin, who instead of protecting the innocent, may protect them only if they gain something in the long run of it. Allthough i must confess it will look like some sort of dk based philosophy for the undeads.
Aye. DK's are fallen Paladins for the most part, and are the anti-paladins.
Post by
Skreeran
Undead cannot use the light bcs it burns them, allthough they could use shadow energies like the undead priests. These may look odd due paladins are light servants, but it is a possible connections. Just look at them like some perverted paladin, who instead of protecting the innocent, may protect them only if they gain something in the long run of it. Allthough i must confess it will look like some sort of dk based philosophy for the undeads.
Aye. DK's are fallen Paladins for the most part, and are the anti-paladins.I'd like to see the Dark Knight class explored. So far, we only have Garithos as a Dark Knight.
I think I'd like to make an RP character that is a Forsaken, and a former paladin who has replaced his old code with the code of the Forgotten Shadow, effectively making him a true anti-paladin.
Post by
Monday
Undead cannot use the light bcs it burns them, allthough they could use shadow energies like the undead priests. These may look odd due paladins are light servants, but it is a possible connections. Just look at them like some perverted paladin, who instead of protecting the innocent, may protect them only if they gain something in the long run of it. Allthough i must confess it will look like some sort of dk based philosophy for the undeads.
Aye. DK's are fallen Paladins for the most part, and are the anti-paladins.I'd like to see the Dark Knight class explored. So far, we only have Garithos as a Dark Knight.
I think I'd like to make an RP character that is a Forsaken, and a former paladin who has replaced his old code with the code of the Forgotten Shadow, effectively making him a true anti-paladin.
Dark Knights don't seem like the Anti Paladins to me.
I mean, Paladins fight undeath & evil, Death Knights are Undead, and mostly Evil. (Not playable understand, others).
But I would like to see a Dark Knight, and I might make one like Garithos (fallen Paladin, but still human).
Or maybe draenei... that'd be interesting.
Post by
Skreeran
By anti-paladin, I don't mean that they're the exact opposite as a paladin.
I actually mean that they are similar to a paladin in the sense that they are a priest-in-plate who uses force to support their philosophy, except that one like I mentioned before would be the polar opposite, in that they use shadow instead of light, and their philosophy is a perverted form of the same religion.
Post by
Adamsm
By anti-paladin, I don't mean that they're the exact opposite as a paladin.
I actually mean that they are similar to a paladin in the sense that they are a priest-in-plate who uses force to support their philosophy, except that one like I mentioned before would be the polar opposite, in that they use shadow instead of light, and their philosophy is a perverted form of the same religion.
So Cult of the Shadow Paladins then heh.
Post by
Skreeran
By anti-paladin, I don't mean that they're the exact opposite as a paladin.
I actually mean that they are similar to a paladin in the sense that they are a priest-in-plate who uses force to support their philosophy, except that one like I mentioned before would be the polar opposite, in that they use shadow instead of light, and their philosophy is a perverted form of the same religion.
So Cult of the Shadow Paladins then heh.Well, yeah. As far as I know, there aren't any Shadow Priests who've applied a warrior quality to their philosophy in the same way that the Clerics of Northshire did theirs. I'd like to try that out some time.
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344679
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Post by
Skreeran
Well yeah, I don't think that they should be playable. Blood Elf druids are also possible, but they shouldn't be playable.
As for the Cult of the Forgotten shadow: We've discussed the to death before, you and me. The Shadow itself is not evil. The philosophy of the cult is not evil. Many of its followers are evil, but the faith itself is not.
On good Forsaken: I really think that there are more good Forskane out there. I mean, think of it this way: Stalin killed over 10 million of his own people, but not everyone in the Soviet Union was evil. Not even everyone who supported Stalin was evil. You can't just generalize an entire people like that.
Post by
Vaeku
Well yeah, I don't think that they should be playable. Blood Elf druids are also possible, but they shouldn't be playable.
As for the Cult of the Forgotten shadow: We've discussed the to death before, you and me. The Shadow itself is not evil. The philosophy of the cult is not evil. Many of its followers are evil, but the faith itself is not.
On good Forsaken: I really think that there are more good Forskane out there. I mean, think of it this way: Stalin killed over 10 million of his own people, but not everyone in the Soviet Union was evil. Not even everyone who supported Stalin was evil. You can't just generalize an entire people like that.
Exactly. The Shadow is not inherently evil. But the people who founded the Cult of the Forgotten Shadow, and its followers, are mostly evil. Another way to look at this are the darkened naaru, specifically M'uru. He's darkened and a boss, but it's speculated that in a darkened state he is not evil, but merely weakened enough to where Kael'thas could exploit him. He even says "Without the void, the Light cannot exist."
As an opposite to this, not all followers of the Light are good. The Scarlet Crusade is a good example. I read somewhere that you don't necessarily have to be pure of heart to actually wield the Light, you just have to believe that what you're doing is right, and to truly believe in it. Because otherwise, the Scarlet Crusade would have never grown as much as it did.
But with the Forsaken, even if they believed that what they did was truly right, they still probably wouldn't be able to wield the Light because of their very nature: they are undead, a monstrosity and an aberration of nature and all that is good.
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Post by
Morec0
Well yeah, I don't think that they should be playable. Blood Elf druids are also possible, but they shouldn't be playable.
Why not? Sure, you end up with the brotherhood of Pwetty Pwetty Druid Princesses, but at this point in the game, I doubt that would make it much of a difference. In addition, it's not like the Player Characters actually matter in WoW. Even if it screws up the lore, it'd be the most acceptable part of screwing it up as it's the one you can easily dismiss away.
Not really.
If there's a playable class, there'll have to be trainers for it. And if there are trainers, there have to be lore behind those NPCs, especially if they plan on doing something - which they inevtibably (spelling) will.
Lore matters, even for player classes. And blood elf druids are more akin to the druids of RL's medivel (spelling) era, not magically based
Post by
Braevia
This is for all my good friends in the
Paladin forums
who insist that Forsaken Paladins are more viable in Lore than Tauren.
Please, enlighten us.
I myself that Forsaken can NOT be paladins.
Forsaken don't take extra damage from "the light". Neither do Death Knights. Lore-wise, we must assume that free-willed undead do not interact with the Light in the same way that undead who mindless and/or enslaved to the Lich King do.
Post by
Adamsm
This is for all my good friends in the
Paladin forums
who insist that Forsaken Paladins are more viable in Lore than Tauren.
Please, enlighten us.
I myself that Forsaken can NOT be paladins.
Forsaken don't take extra damage from "the light". Neither do Death Knights. Lore-wise, we must assume that free-willed undead do not interact with the Light in the same way that undead who mindless and/or enslaved to the Lich King do.
In early Vanilla they did heh, Paladins could treat the Forsaken like an undead mob.
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344679
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