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Monday
The Bible version yes. That is why we have the Book of Moses in the Pearl of Great Price.
And I don't think I've made any Bible posts...
Considering that every single teaching you have comes from either bible or bible commentaries
No. Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price.
Bible sometimes. Usually Joseph Smith Translation of it.
Said books are interpretations and commentary of the bible.
No.
BoM=Another Testament of Jesus Christ (Completely different.)
D&C=Collection of revalations given directly from God to Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
JST=Translation of the Bible. The only one that is connected to the Bible, where Joesph Smith re-translated much of the Bible that had been corrupted.
Research before you post please.
Post by
Monday
Oh and for the Record, the Book of Mormon is about Jesus Christ in Ancient America. Also the histories of the various peoples that lived there.
Post by
Orranis
The Bible version yes. That is why we have the Book of Moses in the Pearl of Great Price.
And I don't think I've made any Bible posts...
Considering that every single teaching you have comes from either bible or bible commentaries
No. Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price.
Bible sometimes. Usually Joseph Smith Translation of it.
Said books are interpretations and commentary of the bible.
No.
BoM=Another Testament of Jesus Christ (Completely different.)
D&C=Collection of revalations given directly from God to Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
JST=Translation of the Bible. The only one that is connected to the Bible, where Joesph Smith re-translated much of the Bible that had been corrupted.
Research before you post please.
I apologize, it was wrong of me to assume that.
I would still like to see some evidence on how or why the Bible was corrupted.
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Monday
I was brusque in my reply. Sorry.
Anyways.
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
The Joseph Smith Translation (JST) is the truest form of the Bible we have. So I believe.
Edit: And Pearl of Great Price
The Pearl of Great Price contains five sections: "Selections from the Book of Moses", "The Book of Abraham", "Joseph Smith—Matthew", "Joseph Smith—History" and "The Articles of Faith". The Book of Moses and Joseph Smith—Matthew are portions of the Book of Genesis and the Book of Matthew (respectively) from the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible. Joseph Smith—History is a first-person narrative of Joseph Smith, Jr.'s life before the founding of the church including an account of the First Vision and other heavenly visitations. The Articles of Faith are a concise listing of thirteen fundamental doctrines of Mormonism composed by Joseph Smith, Jr. as part of a 1842 letter sent to "Long" John Wentworth, editor of the Chicago Democrat.
The Book of Abraham results from papyri which were bought by Smith, which he claims to have translated. This translation became a book dealing with Abraham's journeys in Egypt, containing many distinctive Mormon doctrines such as exaltation and plurality of gods. Considerable controversy surrounds the surviving papyri claimed as the source for the translation of the Book of Abraham. The Book of Moses also contains teachings and prophecies of Enoch, including his testimony of the Only Begotten, Jesus Christ.
The original contents of the book were slightly different, reproducing material found in the Doctrine and Covenants and a poem entitled "Oh Say What is Truth?" (which is now found in the LDS Church hymnal). In 1878 some material from the Book of Moses was added. The Pearl of Great Price was canonized in 1880. In 1902 the material reproduced in the Doctrine and Covenants was removed. Two other documents, now found as Doctrine and Covenants 137 and 138, were added to the Pearl of Great Price in 1976 and moved to their current location in 1979.
Quickest summary.
Post by
Orranis
I have read the Joseph Smith Translations on Exodus, and none deny or state the misinterpretation of the tenth plague, that of creeping death to all firstborn.
God remains a murderer, and a terrorist.
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Squishalot
I have read the Joseph Smith Translations on Exodus, and none deny or state the misinterpretation of the tenth plague, that of creeping death to all firstborn.
God remains a murderer, and a terrorist.
Orranis, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. If you believe that the 'right' thing to do is what God tells you to do, then such killing is 'right' also.
You're implicitly assuming that 'killing others' is the wrong thing to do, so where's your fundamental reason for believing that?
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Orranis
I have read the Joseph Smith Translations on Exodus, and none deny or state the misinterpretation of the tenth plague, that of creeping death to all firstborn.
God remains a murderer, and a terrorist.
Orranis, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. If you believe that the 'right' thing to do is what God tells you to do, then such killing is 'right' also.
You're implicitly assuming that 'killing others' is the wrong thing to do, so where's your fundamental reason for believing that?
I'm not arguing from my perspective, I'm arguing from a religious to show his is flawed. God states that it is immoral to murder, so he is immoral.
Post by
Adamsm
I have read the Joseph Smith Translations on Exodus, and none deny or state the misinterpretation of the tenth plague, that of creeping death to all firstborn.
God remains a murderer, and a terrorist.
Yes, because the first born death was so much worse then wiping out the entire planet with a flood.
Post by
Orranis
I have read the Joseph Smith Translations on Exodus, and none deny or state the misinterpretation of the tenth plague, that of creeping death to all firstborn.
God remains a murderer, and a terrorist.
Yes, because the first born death was so much worse then wiping out the entire planet with a flood.
That's more vague. It states Chapter 6: 5 And Yahweh saw that man's wickedness was great over the face of the earth, and that all day the thoughts in his heart formed nothing but wickedness. "
So apparently, no one was innocent, or at least we cannot say for sure. It never states anything like that in Exodus, in fact it was always said to be Pharaoh with his heart hard, not the babies. After the plagues, seems to me like the people would be ready to revolt.
Post by
Monday
I have read the Joseph Smith Translations on Exodus, and none deny or state the misinterpretation of the tenth plague, that of creeping death to all firstborn.
God remains a murderer, and a terrorist.
Orranis, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. If you believe that the 'right' thing to do is what God tells you to do, then such killing is 'right' also.
You're implicitly assuming that 'killing others' is the wrong thing to do, so where's your fundamental reason for believing that?
I'm not arguing from my perspective, I'm arguing from a religious to show his is flawed. God states that it is immoral to murder, so he is immoral.
Is it murder though? The angel killed the first born for him, and the plague is natural.
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135207
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Post by
Orranis
I have read the Joseph Smith Translations on Exodus, and none deny or state the misinterpretation of the tenth plague, that of creeping death to all firstborn.
God remains a murderer, and a terrorist.
Orranis, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. If you believe that the 'right' thing to do is what God tells you to do, then such killing is 'right' also.
You're implicitly assuming that 'killing others' is the wrong thing to do, so where's your fundamental reason for believing that?
I'm not arguing from my perspective, I'm arguing from a religious to show his is flawed. God states that it is immoral to murder, so he is immoral.
Is it murder though? The angel killed the first born for him, and the plague is natural.
?
Plague is not referring to disease of any sense, it's referring to the ten curses God gave Moses the power to bestow upon the Egyptians.
It is a common misconception that the Angel of Death committed the direct kill (One that, from what I find on your translations, is not questioned), but even so, does me paying a hit-man to kill you in your sleep make me any better a person?
'About midnight
I
will go throughout Egypt. Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn son of the slave girl, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well. There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt—worse than there has ever been or ever will be again
-God speaking to Moses.
Post by
Squishalot
I have read the Joseph Smith Translations on Exodus, and none deny or state the misinterpretation of the tenth plague, that of creeping death to all firstborn.
God remains a murderer, and a terrorist.
Orranis, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. If you believe that the 'right' thing to do is what God tells you to do, then such killing is 'right' also.
You're implicitly assuming that 'killing others' is the wrong thing to do, so where's your fundamental reason for believing that?
I'm not arguing from my perspective, I'm arguing from a religious to show his is flawed. God states that it is immoral to murder, so he is immoral.
I think MyTie addressed this earlier, so I'm not going to go into it again.
Suffice to say that God states that it is immoral for
mankind
to murder.
Then again, I'm one of those that has a problem with the Inerrant Theory of the Bible, where the text as a whole is determined to be the absolute and literal Word of God as well as a complete and accurate history of the Earth. (First problem: When did God create Cain's wife?)
You sound more researched than the rest of us - why does inerrancy mean that it has to provide a complete history of the Earth? Inerrancy simply means that it's not incorrect, no? Since when does completeness come into the picture?
Post by
Adamsm
I have read the Joseph Smith Translations on Exodus, and none deny or state the misinterpretation of the tenth plague, that of creeping death to all firstborn.
God remains a murderer, and a terrorist.
Yes, because the first born death was so much worse then wiping out the entire planet with a flood.
That's more vague. It states Chapter 6: 5 And Yahweh saw that man's wickedness was great over the face of the earth, and that all day the thoughts in his heart formed nothing but wickedness. "
So apparently, no one was innocent, or at least we cannot say for sure. It never states anything like that in Exodus, in fact it was always said to be Pharaoh with his heart hard, not the babies. After the plagues, seems to me like the people would be ready to revolt.
How is it more vague? The Flood wiped the planet clean of all life except for that which was on the Ark.... if your going to argue something, have all the facts.
Post by
Orranis
I have read the Joseph Smith Translations on Exodus, and none deny or state the misinterpretation of the tenth plague, that of creeping death to all firstborn.
God remains a murderer, and a terrorist.
Yes, because the first born death was so much worse then wiping out the entire planet with a flood.
That's more vague. It states Chapter 6: 5 And Yahweh saw that man's wickedness was great over the face of the earth, and that all day the thoughts in his heart formed nothing but wickedness. "
So apparently, no one was innocent, or at least we cannot say for sure. It never states anything like that in Exodus, in fact it was always said to be Pharaoh with his heart hard, not the babies. After the plagues, seems to me like the people would be ready to revolt.
How is it more vague? The Flood wiped the planet clean of all life except for that which was on the Ark.... if your going to argue something, have all the facts.
It's more vague in justification. It's unclear to me whether God says the entire human race (albeit like, three or so.) is corrupt, the majority, a lot, etc. It would be harder to have, as you put it, all the facts.
Post by
Monday
It's more vague in justification. It's unclear to me whether God says the entire human race (albeit like, three or so.) is corrupt, the majority, a lot, etc. It would be harder to have, as you put it, all the facts.
IIRC He says all the human race is corrupt except Noah and his wife and his sons+their wives.
Post by
Orranis
It's more vague in justification. It's unclear to me whether God says the entire human race (albeit like, three or so.) is corrupt, the majority, a lot, etc. It would be harder to have, as you put it, all the facts.
IIRC He says all the human race is corrupt except Noah and his wife and his sons+their wives.
That's how you interpret it. I see no direct evidence of this.
Post by
Adamsm
It's more vague in justification. It's unclear to me whether God says the entire human race (albeit like, three or so.) is corrupt, the majority, a lot, etc. It would be harder to have, as you put it, all the facts.
Because the world was full of sin, and it was time to start over.... yup, incredibly vague(and note again, not a Christian here).
It's more vague in justification. It's unclear to me whether God says the entire human race (albeit like, three or so.) is corrupt, the majority, a lot, etc. It would be harder to have, as you put it, all the facts.
IIRC He says all the human race is corrupt except Noah and his wife and his sons+their wives.
That's how you interpret it. I see no direct evidence of this.
Well, I doubt you've read the entire Bible so I can see that.
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135207
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
MyTie
I have a problem with that wiki link on Young Earth creationism. I believe that the Earth is only about 6K years old, as it states in the Bible, but I don't believe the science that states otherwise is flawed. I think the science is perfectly right to reflect a universe that appears to be much older.
I have such unique views on creation, homosexuality, the death penalty, drug enforcement, and so many others, that I have trouble getting people to listen to my views without automatically being lumped in with some group whos views I do not share.
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