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Post by
Monjaru
Because all of them got new options. As did the three other races that already had seven classes apiece. Why should Blizzard be required to give them a new combination when there are other races with the same number as draenei, even after they've been given a new one. In the long run, gnomes are still in worse shape in terms of class choices.
Red herring. Gnomes will have all of their bases covered with the addition of priests. And? Are draenei
not
already covered in that respect?
Your argument is falling apart fast.
Because I've got a legitimate reason to. Not hardly. You're upset because draenei were left with 7 race/class combos, even though there are multiple other races who are still on equal footing or even worse off. That is strictly bias; and personal prejudice is not exactly a strong basis for complaint.
Of
course
I'm biased for one of my two favorite races.
But if
any other
race was getting left out—even something that I actively disliked—I'd still be agitating on principle. Maybe not
quite
as strongly unless it was trolls, but even so. You're upset that draenei didn't get a new race/class combination, but you've got nothing to say about the fact you've still got more choices than gnomes do? So where is your "principal" agitation on the unfairness towards gnomes?
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Or any members of the Silver Hand that were of Gilnean base, didn't go behind the wall after the Second War.According to current lore, no one got in or out of Gilneas by land after the Second War. There could have been paladins who were Gilnean by nationality, but yes, their loyalty to the Silver Hand could have easily outweighed patriotism.
What I meant was that paladins wouldn't have been getting trained in Gilneas. Any Gilnean national who
became
a paladin would have gone elsewhere to train, and probably wouldn't have been able to get back in after the wall went up. Therefore, no exposure to the curse.
...dammit, now I have fanfic ideas in my head. Some paladin sending carrier doves.Why should Blizzard be required to give them a new combination when there are other races with the same number as draenei, even after they've been given a new one.Because numbers aren't everything. Tauren were just fine with four, not that Sunwalkers aren't going to be awesome.
It's about utility, not quantity.In the long run, gnomes are still in worse shape in terms of class choices.No, they're really not.
And? Are draenei
not
already covered in that respect? If "only six choices" is a legitimate complaint, so is "no stealth."
Your argument is falling apart fast. You don't seem to
have
an argument at all.
Not hardly. You're upset because draenei were left with 7 race/class combos, even though there are multiple other races who are still on equal footing or even worse off. That is strictly bias; and personal prejudice is not exactly a strong basis for complaint.No, I'm upset because draenei were left completely out of the loop.
And actually, every other race will be
at least
on equal footing. Gnomes are
not
"worse off."
You're upset that draenei didn't get a new race/class combination, but you've got nothing to say about the fact you've still got more choices than gnomes do?Again: if "only six choices" is a legitimate complaint, so is "no stealth." So where is your "principal" agitation on the unfairness towards gnomes?Read my post again: I said that I'd be agitating if any other race was getting left out.
Gnomes are
not
getting left out. They get priest. There is no particular "unfairness" towards them—or at least, no
more
than there is towards draenei. Gnomes aren't any more entitled to
two
new options than draenei are to
one
.
Post by
Adamsm
Or any members of the Silver Hand that were of Gilnean base, didn't go behind the wall after the Second War.According to current lore, no one got in or out of Gilneas by land after the Second War. There could have been paladins who were Gilnean by nationality, but yes, their loyalty to the Silver Hand could have easily outweighed patriotism.
What I meant was that paladins wouldn't have been getting trained in Gilneas. Any Gilnean national who
became
a paladin would have gone elsewhere to train, and probably wouldn't have been able to get back in after the wall went up. Therefore, no exposure to the curse.
...dammit, now I have fanfic ideas in my head. Some paladin sending carrier dovesHeh that's what I meant; still Gilnean even though they are on the outside of the country... but yeah, I think it's got something to do with the Curse that's keeping them from reaching the Light like they used to, which means, that the Worgen Priests are probably followers of Elune.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Heh that's what I meant; still Gilnean even though they are on the outside of the country... but yeah, I think it's got something to do with the Curse that's keeping them from reaching the Light like they used to, which means, that the Worgen Priests are probably followers of Elune.If they do that, I'm seriously going to /facepalm, because that seems like an @$$pull.
Post by
Adamsm
Heh that's what I meant; still Gilnean even though they are on the outside of the country... but yeah, I think it's got something to do with the Curse that's keeping them from reaching the Light like they used to, which means, that the Worgen Priests are probably followers of Elune.If they do that, I'm seriously going to /facepalm, because that seems like an @$$pull.
Well.. no different then the Forsaken not being able to use the Light Lorewise, and just using the Shadow; it's there, so it's not that much of an asspull heh.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Well.. no different then the Forsaken not being able to use the Light Lorewise, and just using the Shadow; it's there, so it's not that much of an asspull heh.Let's just say it will
add
to the list of reasons why I'm underwhelmed with worgen.
Post by
Adamsm
Well.. no different then the Forsaken not being able to use the Light Lorewise, and just using the Shadow; it's there, so it's not that much of an asspull heh.Let's just say it will
add
to the list of reasons why I'm underwhelmed with worgen.
Heh, it's still too early for me to make a solid decision on them; I'll wait for more information.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Heh, it's still too early for me to make a solid decision on them; I'll wait for more information.The
obnoxious vixen mask
was item one.
Watching the demo model flail around like a ghoul was item two.
This picture
was item three (it looks like a schipperke).
Thus far, the only counterpoint I've seen has been their stealth animation.
Post by
Monday
Heh, it's still too early for me to make a solid decision on them; I'll wait for more information.The obnoxious vixen mask was item one.
Watching the demo model flail around like a ghoul was item two.
This picture
was item three (it looks like a schipperke).
Thus far, the only counterpoint I've seen has been their stealth animation.
I dunno, I like that picture.
And for the record, I have a love of werewolves in general, just not the annoying Twilight or modern fiction werewolves.
Edit: At least the female goblin doesn't look like Shrek's wife.
Sorry her name just blew my mind >_<
Post by
Adamsm
Heh, it's still too early for me to make a solid decision on them; I'll wait for more information.The
obnoxious vixen mask
was item one.
Watching the demo model flail around like a ghoul was item two.
This picture
was item three (it looks like a schipperke).
Thus far, the only counterpoint I've seen has been their stealth animation.
1. Could be a placeholder.
2. Is a placeholder, a bad cross between current ones and the early alpha stuff, I really doubt they will be keeping those once beta comes.
3. Gotta disagree, kinda like that heh.
But yeah, like I said, I'm the wait and see type, so.... wait and see lol.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
I dunno, I like that picture.
And for the record, I have a love of werewolves in general, just not the annoying Twilight or modern fiction werewolves.I like how some authors (Jim Butcher, Nick O'Donohoe) have handled werewolves. Some others (Patricia Briggs, Laurell K. Hamilton)...not so much.
And while I like the "shifters" from the D&D setting
Eberron
, and worgen seem
somewhat
reminiscent, they seem like shifters with a lot of the cool factor filed off somehow. Edit: At least the female goblin doesn't look like Shrek's wife.
Sorry her name just blew my mind >_<Fiona. 1. Could be a placeholder.I doubt it.
2. Is a placeholder, a bad cross between current ones and the early alpha stuff, I really doubt they will be keeping those once beta comes.I'd put money more on it simply being incomplete, as opposed to a placeholder. That model looks a bit too final.
3. Gotta disagree, kinda like that heh.It just looks a bit too...
domesticated
...to me. But yeah, like I said, I'm the wait and see type, so.... wait and see lol.I think I'll have a better idea when they release the female model.
Then again, considering their track record of making males look "cool" and females look "pretty?" I'm guessing it's going to be another vixen.
Post by
Adamsm
It just looks a bit too...domesticated...to me.Well that's probably the Potion Cures affect heh.
Then again, considering their track record of making males look "cool" and females look "pretty?" I'm guessing it's going to be another vixen.More then likely.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Well that's probably the Potion Cures affect heh.I can see that it might make them more willing to pay attention to personal hygiene, and less likely to want to run on all fours (even if digitigrade tailless bipeds with a forward-leaning posture look a bit silly).
However, there's something odd about the shape of the muzzle. Too wide and blunt. And those don't look like wolf ears (or wolf-man ears); they look like dog ears that have been cropped and shaped.
More then likely.Which is why I've been pressing for "lithe and deadly feral b!tches" on the official forums. Vixens would be ridiculous.
Post by
Adamsm
Well that's probably the Potion Cures affect heh.I can see that it might make them more willing to pay attention to personal hygiene, and less likely to want to run on all fours (even if digitigrade tailless bipeds with a forward-leaning posture look a bit silly).
However, there's something odd about the shape of the muzzle. Too wide and blunt. And those don't look like wolf ears (or wolf-man ears); they look like dog ears that have been cropped and shaped.Eh, it's not that bad heh, could have been worse, they could have used one of the hyena models for the face.
More then likely.Which is why I've been pressing for "lithe and deadly feral b!tches" on the official forums. Vixens would be ridiculous.
That's more of a Horde thing heh; the Alliance females, for all that the women of it are some of the best and brightest, are suppose to be delicate flowers fighting on the battlefield, letting the men do their things..... still the one major thing about Knaak I can't forgive; turning Tyrande from the uber-*!@#$ into the princess in distress.
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Post by
Adamsm
The original Highborne were just Night Elves; the High Elves evolved due to the change of life style they took; swapping from day to night, and using the sun well. Those Highborne in Dire Maul are left overs from the War of the Ancients, who had fled before the final battle, and remained hidden for millenniums, feeding off the Demon they captured.
Well, if you continue this way the you get the Blood Elves (which arent different from Highborn). Does it mean that Night Elves should be also able to master their arts?Too early to tell; but the 'magic' has probably split in the last 11000 years; the Highborne coming out of Dire Maul would be using the same spells and skills that the original group in Azshara's Palace would have been using, instead of the new magic the High/Blood Elves use which has been shaped by their dependence on the Sunwell and then influenced by Humans who taught them some new things as they taught them.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
That's more of a Horde thing heh; the Alliance females, for all that the women of it are some of the best and brightest, are suppose to be delicate flowers fighting on the battlefield, letting the men do their things..... still the one major thing about Knaak I can't forgive; turning Tyrande from the uber-*!@#$ into the princess in distress.From what I can tell, most of the examples of obvious sexism in the setting are the fault of either Knaak or DeCandido. (Although Golden used the "aristocrat daughter as political bargaining chip" cliché.)
Post by
Adamsm
That's more of a Horde thing heh; the Alliance females, for all that the women of it are some of the best and brightest, are suppose to be delicate flowers fighting on the battlefield, letting the men do their things..... still the one major thing about Knaak I can't forgive; turning Tyrande from the uber-*!@#$ into the princess in distress.From what I can tell, most of the examples of obvious sexism in the setting are the fault of either Knaak or DeCandido. (Although Golden used the "aristocrat daughter as political bargaining chip" cliché.)
Knaak did it first; he was the one who set up the whole thing with Prestor(Deathwing), going after Arthas' sister for her hand in marriage.
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423967
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Post by
Adamsm
speaking of whats her face any idea what happened to her?
by law she should be the rightful ruler of lordaeron now.
I think Arthas killed her during the purge.
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