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Post by
Rankkor
actually lolotea, the "alpha is alpha" does have a hard base to draw upon, as I said on the other thread, if wow was a person, alpha would be a fetus, beta would be a newborn baby, released product is a child, first patch is adolencence, second patch is young adulthood, third patch and any that follows is full adulthood.
I've downloaded that alpha client and sandboxed it myself to take a good look at all the changes by myself, and I must say.............. that a lot of zones look 100% identical.
because as an early alpha only a few changes have been added, I mean dun morog is identical, so is elwynn forest, un'goro, silithus, winterspring, moonglade, silverpine (with the mild exeption of the new greymane wall wich isn't even completely implemented, it's untextured from the bottom to about 30% of it up and it's floating about 2-3 meters from the ground, same goes for hillsbrad, arathi, alterac, searing gorge, burning steepes, redridge mountains, duskwood, and that area between duskwood and swamp of sorrows.
the bottom line is: a lot of zones (A LOT) are still unchanged, not to mention that the famous Deathwing Scar, a MASSIVE path of scorched land that runs the eastern kingdoms half-by-half......... is completely untextured and flat as a surfboard, they basically just painted the floor in black where they want the scar to run through, but made no scar yet.
more builds of the alpha need to be made, and as they made them, more zones will be prone to change, but for now only about 30% of all of azeroth has changed (the zones with the largest changes are durotan, barrens, thousand needles, ashenvale, darkshore, and blasted lands.
who's to say future builds won't add new draenei bases?
ohh and BTW ;) blood elves get more than 1 new base in uldum, xD they also have a new base in the blasted lands :D
I really do think that Blizzard is treating them as the redheaded stepchild, almost as if they were a last minute race because they couldn't think of anything else for the Alliance. I also think they took a back seat in their own expansion to the glorious Blood Elf master race.
that's just wrong, the blood elves hardly took a back seat on WOTLK, considering that the sunreavers play a rather large role in the game, and the blood-elven motiff is deep in northrend, both with the vampiric scourge shan'layn, and their queen, as well as the super awesome Quel'delar quest, that while avaliable to all races, it reeks deep of elven lore, and if your toon is a blood elf, the quest has a completely unique and MUCH better ending.
the draenei on the other hand got little from this expac, I think you can even count with 1 hand how many draenei are on all of norhtrend (not counting the ones in the argent tournament)
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Post by
Alliari
I really hope that the Draenei/Broken Shamans will have a big part in the Earthen Ring, even though rumors abode of Thrall leading it, I think that Thrall would listen to advice from Nobundo.
Other than that, fix the Exodar, and get the Draenei more involved with Alliance politics.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
I really hope that the Draenei/Broken Shamans will have a big part in the Earthen Ring, even though rumors abode of Thrall leading it, I think that Thrall would listen to advice from Nobundo.
Other than that, fix the Exodar, and get the Draenei more involved with Alliance politics.Hi, there!
I'm still not all that certain about "fixing" the Exodar; most I can imagine happening is if it were floating aboveground like Dalaran. (IIRC, it's out of commission as a dimensional fortress for good.)
I would, however, like to see the collapsed wing cleaned out, and maybe some new buildings replacing the debris.
Post by
Alliari
I really hope that the Draenei/Broken Shamans will have a big part in the Earthen Ring, even though rumors abode of Thrall leading it, I think that Thrall would listen to advice from Nobundo.
Other than that, fix the Exodar, and get the Draenei more involved with Alliance politics.Hi, there!
I'm still not all that certain about "fixing" the Exodar; most I can imagine happening is if it were floating aboveground like Dalaran. (IIRC, it's out of commission as a dimensional fortress for good.)
I would, however, like to see the collapsed wing cleaned out, and maybe some new buildings replacing the debris.
Well, if not repaired completely, get some of the major things out of the way (That huge crystal jutting out of the floor in the trader's tier?)
I agree to clearing out the other wing, and something tells me Blizzard closed it off for a future expansion, but that besides, I'd love it to become a mini Botanica, with gardens, waterfalls and the likes, but I digress.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Well, if not repaired completely, get some of the major things out of the way (That huge crystal jutting out of the floor in the trader's tier?)Not to mention the various buckled floors.
I agree to clearing out the other wing, and something tells me Blizzard closed it off for a future expansion, but that besides, I'd love it to become a mini Botanica, with gardens, waterfalls and the likes, but I digress.Ooo, that'd be nice.
Post by
Adamsm
If they ever add in Draenei druids, that's probably what is going to happen.
Post by
Alliari
If they ever add in Draenei druids, that's probably what is going to happen.
I, honestly, think that the Draenei will never get druids. It seems.....I don't know, possible but not likely, unless they advance the lore of the Furblogs. The Draenei first accepted Shamanisim through the Broken, who were first discriminated against, even killed for being "lesser". It was only after Velen received a vision about Nobundo and the rest of the broken were they integrated into Draenei society, shamanisim becoming a part of Draenei society as well.
Druids seem a bit more far-fetched. (Granted, yes there are Lost One "Druids", more on that later.) The only way I can see druids being a class choice is through the Furblogs (Which the Draenei have a strong relationship ) or the Night Elves.
Yes, I know that someone is going to bring this up, there are Lost One 'Druids' in Zangramarsh. Here's what I think of that. I think that they could be tapping into nature, but that they would not wholly be Druids. Azerothian Druidisim can only exist on Azeroth because of Elune and the Emerald Dream (IIRC). Shamanisim can exist anywhere, much like arcane energy or light energy. Plus, the Lost One's are just that....lost. They are a tribal, feral race with little, possibly no language, and are mostly aggressive to outsiders.
(Note): This all may be retconned, or lore "twisted" (Much like the Tauren Sunwalkers or Night Elf Priests)
Post by
Adamsm
Except they already have you transforming into different animal forms to help learn from the Stillpine Furbolgs, so it is there, they just need to do something with it. But what I meant, is there is another section of Exodar ready to be opened up to be transformed into a Druid area within in the city, instead of just one trainer up by the docks.
Post by
Kibbles
they HAVE to let 'a few anal fanboys (M & S) direct their game, that is where they get funding. Do not be stupid and ignore what this is- a moneygrab.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
I, honestly, think that the Draenei will never get druids. It seems.....I don't know, possible but not likely, unless they advance the lore of the Furblogs. The Draenei first accepted Shamanisim through the Broken, who were first discriminated against, even killed for being "lesser". It was only after Velen received a vision about Nobundo and the rest of the broken were they integrated into Draenei society, shamanisim becoming a part of Draenei society as well.
Druids seem a bit more far-fetched. (Granted, yes there are Lost One "Druids", more on that later.) The only way I can see druids being a class choice is through the Furblogs (Which the Draenei have a strong relationship ) or the Night Elves.The furbolg connection would actually be perfectly valid. Of course, it
would
mean that Blizzard would have to stop treating the draenei like an embarrassing illegitimate child, but there you go.
Yes, I know that someone is going to bring this up, there are Lost One 'Druids' in Zangramarsh. Here's what I think of that. I think that they could be tapping into nature, but that they would not wholly be Druids. Azerothian Druidisim can only exist on Azeroth because of Elune and the Emerald Dream (IIRC). Shamanisim can exist anywhere, much like arcane energy or light energy. Plus, the Lost One's are just that....lost. They are a tribal, feral race with little, possibly no language, and are mostly aggressive to outsiders.
(Note): This all may be retconned, or lore "twisted" (Much like the Tauren Sunwalkers or Night Elf Priests)The idea that druidism is exclusive to Azeroth is fan theory. The Lost One druids in Zangarmarsh are one point against it; the fact that tauren and night elves are not hampered in Outland is another. (As is the possible extradimensional origin of the worgen—and I still maintain that if that's changed, it's no
less
of a retcon than the eredar/Sargeras bit.)
Except they already have you transforming into different animal forms to help learn from the Stillpine Furbolgs, so it is there, they just need to do something with it.Indeed. (There's also the fact that it could serve to better connect them to the setting.)
But what I meant, is there is another section of Exodar ready to be opened up to be transformed into a Druid area within in the city, instead of just one trainer up by the docks.They could at least clean it out and
move
Shalannius into there.
they HAVE to let 'a few anal fanboys (M & S) direct their game, that is where they get funding. Do not be stupid and ignore what this is- a moneygrab.While I agree that the entire expansion is a money grab (aside from a few details, it's so obviously made of fan demand that it's not even funny), letting a vocal minority (the "fanboys" in question) direct their game is a
bad
idea.
What's worse for business? A
few
people potentially ragequitting because a race they don't like got as much attention as all of the others? Or
more
people potentially quitting because a race they
do
like got shuffled under the rug?
Post by
Adamsm
(jesu, just realized the thread count is off by almost 20 posts)
Heh, it would also be nice to see a few Draenei commanders in other locations; beyond just random NPC's(like they are for the lead into the Airship fights).
Post by
FarseerLolotea
(jesu, just realized the thread count is off by almost 20 posts)That's because they deleted all of the posts from SoldrethImpostor's latest sock.
Heh, it would also be nice to see a few Draenei commanders in other locations; beyond just random NPC's(like they are for the lead into the Airship fights).If Forest Song is still standing (and there seem to be implications that this may be the case), I want to see either Vedaar or Palanaar in charge of it. And possibly a few vindicators in the Zone Formerly Known As Desolace.
Post by
Adamsm
Heh, aye, Forest Song needs to become a full on town; we've seen it upgrade twice after all, Vanilla was just the one quest giver, then before BC it was upgraded into the new thing.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Heh, aye, Forest Song needs to become a full on town; we've seen it upgrade twice after all, Vanilla was just the one quest giver, then before BC it was upgraded into the new thing.Indeed. If they wipe it off of the map after all the work they've done on it, that's straight-up bogus.
Post by
Adamsm
Heh, aye, Forest Song needs to become a full on town; we've seen it upgrade twice after all, Vanilla was just the one quest giver, then before BC it was upgraded into the new thing.Indeed. If they wipe it off of the map after all the work they've done on it, that's straight-up bogus.
Heh, aye it is.
Post by
Alliari
I agree, Forest Song is the prime canadiate for Draenei towns, I would love it to be expanded upon, and if rumors are true that Astranarr is being burned to the ground, then Forest Song should be the main town in Ashenvale.
I'd also like to see some more Draenei action in the Blasted Lands, seeing as it is being expanded upon.
Edit: (Forgot my manners) Hey Lolo!, missed you on the cata fourms!
Post by
FarseerLolotea
I agree, Forest Song is the prime canadiate for Draenei towns, I would love it to be expanded upon, and if rumors are true that Astranarr is being burned to the ground, then Forest Song should be the main town in Ashenvale.No word on Astranaar being burned to the ground; however, it's under attack.
However...I still say they'd better fortify Forest Song, and
quick
.
I'd also like to see some more Draenei action in the Blasted Lands, seeing as it is being expanded upon.Hmm. Indeed.
And a little bird has been chirping about a Telaar-style building confirmed at the Harborage in the Swamp of Sorrows.
Post by
GVHB
I agree, Forest Song is the prime canadiate for Draenei towns, I would love it to be expanded upon, and if rumors are true that Astranarr is being burned to the ground, then Forest Song should be the main town in Ashenvale.
I'd also like to see some more Draenei action in the Blasted Lands, seeing as it is being expanded upon.
Firstly, Astranaar will still be a Alliance city it seems, only that it will be bombarded by the Horde. And the Worgens are making a zone for themselves in Blasted Land. But who knows. There are a lot of things left to add still, and the leaked images of the alpha weren't final by any mean.
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