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The Alliance gets political stability
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Monday
Adamsm, if you ever want reliable info then EJ is the place to get it. They are very hard on trolls and and such,so i doubt people are screwing around there.
Um... the "reliable info" is class/spec for raiding, not really lore. Have you ever seen a breaking news story from EJ?
No, because that isn't what they do.
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Adamsm
Adamsm, if you ever want reliable info then EJ is the place to get it. They are very hard on trolls and and such,so i doubt people are screwing around there.
**The guy posting this is a well established poster at EJ and SoL forums. Don't expect to see him talking about it at SoL,they are following the NDA.
I doubt some random person on EJ would have an Alpha invite; aka, he was probably on a private server with an Alpha client running... so yeah, not believing a word he says.
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Post by
totemmunkey
elitistjerks.com has some interesting info.
Seems my faith in Garrosh was well worth it and alliance are FAR from stable.
Congrats. Linkies pleasies?
I believe this is what he is talking about:
Source:
http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t30118-world_warcraft_lore_storyline_discussion_spoilers/p339/#ixzz0nu8RU0LO
HORDE
:
-The flashback you get from Vol'jin actually takes place right after Thrall left. It's been awhile since then.
-Immediately after Garrosh took offense to Vol'jin's comments and kicked the trolls back to the echo islands to "cool down," Cairne started traveling to Orgrimmar.
-When he arrives he says that Garrosh could be a great leader if tempered, but for now he is not ready. Then Cairne challenges him to a nonlethal duel for leadership of the horde.
-Garrosh really likes and respects Cairne and doesn't want to fight him, but feels obligated as he believes the horde needs the fury of a Hellscream.
-They fight. Garrosh is actually doing his best not to injure the old cow. Unfortunately we later find out that Magatha has been poisoning Cairne for either weeks or months, and it really starts showing.
-Right as Garrosh is aiming a disarming swing to end the fight, Cairne stumbles or collapses and catches the axe right in the chest, dying instantly. He may have been dead from the poison before the axe even hit.
-Garrosh freaks the f*ck out and has a breakdown over the event and locks himself alone in the throne room. In the meantime Magatha takes over Thunder Bluff and the Grimtotem go all fascist state.
-Sometime later Garrosh emerges a lot more calm, leads a raid to put TB back in the hands of Baine, and basically starts acting like Saurfang with a mean streak instead of a psychopathic whiner.
There's also apparently some quest where an overzealous orc commander nukes a neutral druid base. It kills women and children. Garrosh rides up sometime later, quietly makes a statement like "a great warrior once told me that the horde began to fail when it lost all sense of mercy for the innocent, that will not happen again" and breaks the guy's neck before lobbing him off a cliff.
ALLIANCE:
-The people of stormwind hate Wrynn right now. They think that he deliberately taunted Deathwing out of hiding with Onyxia's head. Most of them believe that he's a bloodthirsty moron.
-Most of the sh*t really goes down in Ironforge though. I don't have nearly as many details as on the horde version, but Magni is afraid that earthquakes are going to destroy the city. He decides he's going to open up Old Ironforge and try to commune with the earth spirits there, despite a Wildhammer shaman envoy telling him that he won't be able to handle it. He botches the ritual and ends up permanently turned to stone.
-Moira returns. With dark iron heir in tow, and all the dark irons that escaped Blackrock. Wildhammers also converge on the city fearing a half dark iron on the throne. Massive, massive civil war in the streets. Wrynn leads some adventurers in and kills Moira and sets up a council of leaders with one from each clan to hold power until her child grows up. The dwarves agree to this, but they and the gnomes are f*cking enraged at Wrynn for meddling in the affairs of another kingdom like that, paranoid that he's going to turn into a tyrant.
-Basically everyone hates Wrynn. Dwarves and gnomes are fearful of him not respecting boundries. Humans think that while he worked in Northrend he'll never make a good standing king. Genn Graymane tells him that he acts like an orc. It's some pretty intense political sh*t compared to the horde, where people are like "well, Garrosh admits he was an idiot and is manning up, plus he's winning us !@#$loads of territory, so he's cool."
A pretty cool, intellectual conversation on those forums but while the above
may
be true, it unfortunately still falls under speculation and rumor.
Post by
Adamsm
.....That's complete crap lol; whoever made it up, is talking out of his arse. There is no way they would let Moira and the Dark Iron-Ironforge child into the city, and even if they did, it would be as a refugee, as Moira gave up her claim on the throne when she tells us to the get the hell out of BRD, and tell her father to pretty much go F himself. As for the Wrynn stuff... I definitely call bull*!@# on that; if that really happens, Blizzard wasted everything they did in the comics to set him up as a leader and commander of his people. As for the stuff with Bronzebeard.... yeah, he's a Mountain King not a shaman, that's more bull crap; ie, getting stuck in stone when he can already become an avatar.
As for the Garrosh stuff..... I'm sorry I laughed; it's obvious the person who wrote the thing is a Horde fan over an Alliance fan.
Post by
Monday
.....That's complete crap lol; whoever made it up, is talking out of his arse. There is no way they would let Moira and the Dark Iron-Ironforge child into the city, and even if they did, it would be as a refugee, as Moira gave up her claim on the throne when she tells us to the get the hell out of BRD, and tell her father to pretty much go F himself. As for the Wrynn stuff... I definitely call bull*!@# on that; if that really happens, Blizzard wasted everything they did in the comics to set him up as a leader and commander of his people. As for the stuff with Bronzebeard.... yeah, he's a Mountain King not a shaman, that's more bull crap; ie, getting stuck in stone when he can already become an avatar.
As for the Garrosh stuff..... I'm sorry I laughed; it's obvious the person who wrote the thing is a Horde fan over an Alliance fan.
Pretty much all of this.
QFT to the max.
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374287
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Post by
Adamsm
I thought it was a possibility until I saw that Wrynn was supposed to kill Moira with a band of adventurers. Wrynn is without a doubt the biggest d-bag in the game (Garrosh wishes he could come close), but without a serious provocation and without the backing of the dwarves that would never happen.
Not to mention, Moira can't become the new ruler of Ironforge, she gave up that claim and stated she is the new leader of the Dark Iron's till her child is born.
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92105
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Adamsm
That's what I'm saying; while the bastard has a chance at the Ironforge throne, she herself doesn't; she's admitted to wanting to ruling the Dark Iron's instead of returning home with you after the quest is finished. I can't see any of the Ironforge dwarves accepting her back(which is more or less what this 'leak' is saying), and the Wildhammer's come to stop it... which also wouldn't happen, as they wouldn't interfere unless they were asked for help, as there is still some old 'bad' blood between the Ironforge dwarves and the Wild Clans.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Its a two sided coin. There just as much fact if whats happening on the horde front being true as the alliances. In other words if Cairne does die in this manner and garrosh does run off like a pansy, then its just a viable that Varian meddles in what he shouldn't and gets hated by the alliance for it.
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Adamsm
Its a two sided coin. There just as much fact if whats happening on the horde front being true as the alliances. In other words if Cairne does die in this manner and garrosh does run off like a pansy, then its just a viable that Varian meddles in what he shouldn't and gets hated by the alliance for it.
Which ruins what the 'plan' for Varian that Blizzard spent the last year and a half setting up....
Post by
taurenmoo812
Its a two sided coin. There just as much fact if whats happening on the horde front being true as the alliances. In other words if Cairne does die in this manner and garrosh does run off like a pansy, then its just a viable that Varian meddles in what he shouldn't and gets hated by the alliance for it.
Which ruins what the 'plan' for Varian that Blizzard spent the last year and a half setting up....
apparently, its ok to cheap out on one characters plan and how there stories developed, and not anothers then? Its no more hard to believe Varian would do something that his people hate him for then it is (god forbid saying this) seeing garrosh do something to shattered the alliances the horde have made. Or, that how they built up garrosh to be a rageaholic, just to have him turned right around and made into a ultra noble clone of Thrall?
I thought you knew well enough how blizzard likes to retconn lore, or cheap out on other things, the lich kings end, the nexus war, even turning kael'thas into kil'jaedens man@#$%^.
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Adamsm
apparently, its ok to cheap out on one characters plan and how there stories developed, and not anothers then? Its no more hard to believe Varian would do something that his people hate him for then it is (god forbid saying this) seeing garrosh do something to shattered the alliances the horde have made. Or, that how they built up garrosh to be a rageaholic, just to have him turned right around and made into a ultra noble clone of Thrall?
I thought you knew well enough how blizzard likes to retconn lore, or cheap out on other things, the lich kings end, the nexus war, even turning kael'thas into kil'jaedens man@#$%^.
I do get it, but still... all of that information just seems like really awful fan-fiction done by a Horde fan who hates the Alliance and wants to transform Garrosh into the ultimate hero type; I know the Blizzard writers aren't always the best(my hate of the Lich King ending is well known) but all of this just seems really lazy and stupid to me. As for Garrosh, Cataclysm looks like it's 'his' expansion, and giving us a chance to see him change.... and probably fall flat on his face, as this information says otherwise, that he is being turned into a Thrall clone, which we don't need, one Thrall is enough.
Post by
taurenmoo812
I do get it, but still... all of that information just seems like really awful fan-fiction done by a Horde fan who hates the Alliance and wants to transform Garrosh into the ultimate hero type; I know the Blizzard writers aren't always the best(my hate of the Lich King ending is well known) but all of this just seems really lazy and stupid to me. As for Garrosh, Cataclysm looks like it's 'his' expansion, and giving us a chance to see him change.... and probably fall flat on his face, as this information says otherwise, that he is being turned into a Thrall clone, which we don't need, one Thrall is enough.
Well I'll agree with you there. Except saying cata is garrosh's expansion. He's been force feed to lore fans to much as it is, I'm hoping halfway in, it'll shift the story to another for desired lore figure.
Post by
Adamsm
Well, I did say 'looks like' heh, and I'm sure at some point the focus will shift from the Horde problems back to the real threats in game lol.
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374287
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Post by
taurenmoo812
Well, I did say 'looks like' heh, and I'm sure at some point the focus will shift from the Horde problems back to the real threats in game lol.
I'm still hoping for a rebellion consisiting of Vol'jin, Saurfang and other horde heroes loyal to the true horde, and who stands against Garrosh's change.
Post by
GVHB
Well, I did say 'looks like' heh, and I'm sure at some point the focus will shift from the Horde problems back to the real threats in game lol.
I'm still hoping for a rebellion consisiting of Vol'jin, Saurfang and other horde heroes loyal to the true horde, and who stands against Garrosh's change.
That may happen. We don't know how will Garrosh be brought down from his position as Warchief.
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