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Adamsm
/shrug, Just saying, with his focus on strength and power over intelligence.
likewise, the reason for his fetist for black metal spikes coating everything and having his bases look like hellfire citadel (an eyesore on the land as said in rise of the horde) is about as viable for his hatred for humans, that orcs who won back there honor shaped there homes with a reflection of the stone and leather houses in nagrand, but for some reason, garrosh didn't?
Like I've said in other threads; I don't see it like that, I see the Black Metal more as an intimidation tactic, trying to freak out any enemy who attacks the city, as well as making it more formidable against foes who can shot molten fire and lightening strikes from their mouths; because leather does burn heh.
Post by
GVHB
/shrug, Just saying, with his focus on strength and power over intelligence.
likewise, the reason for his fetist for black metal spikes coating everything and having his bases look like hellfire citadel (an eyesore on the land as said in rise of the horde) is about as viable for his hatred for humans, that orcs who won back there honor shaped there homes with a reflection of the stone and leather houses in nagrand, but for some reason, garrosh didn't?
Well, the black metal is supposed to be the way Garrosh "reinforced" Orgrimmar seeing how crazy the world will be at Cataclysm
Post by
taurenmoo812
/shrug, Just saying, with his focus on strength and power over intelligence.
likewise, the reason for his fetist for black metal spikes coating everything and having his bases look like hellfire citadel (an eyesore on the land as said in rise of the horde) is about as viable for his hatred for humans, that orcs who won back there honor shaped there homes with a reflection of the stone and leather houses in nagrand, but for some reason, garrosh didn't?
Well, the black metal is supposed to be the way Garrosh "reinforced" Orgrimmar seeing how crazy the world will be at Cataclysm
It is the same design as the bases you see around northrend with the warsong offensive, and garrosh is the leader of the warsong. It isn't just reforging orgrimmar. Stop dodging the obvious reflection it bears to hellfire citadel.
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GVHB
/shrug, Just saying, with his focus on strength and power over intelligence.
likewise, the reason for his fetist for black metal spikes coating everything and having his bases look like hellfire citadel (an eyesore on the land as said in rise of the horde) is about as viable for his hatred for humans, that orcs who won back there honor shaped there homes with a reflection of the stone and leather houses in nagrand, but for some reason, garrosh didn't?
Well, the black metal is supposed to be the way Garrosh "reinforced" Orgrimmar seeing how crazy the world will be at Cataclysm
It is the same design as the bases you see around northrend with the warsong offensive, and garrosh is the leader of the warsong. It isn't just reforging orgrimmar. Stop dodging the obvious reflection it bears to hellfire citadel.
And? only because it looks like Hellfire Citadel doesn't mean he will go into the ways of the dark horde.
Post by
Adamsm
(an eyesore on the land as said in rise of the horde)/sigh Said by Durotan, who didn't want the war, and agreed with by Doomhammer; beyond that though, we don't know how the rest of the Horde felt about it.
Post by
taurenmoo812
(an eyesore on the land as said in rise of the horde)/sigh Said by Durotan, who didn't want the war, and agreed with by Doomhammer; beyond that though, we don't know how the rest of the Horde felt about it.
He also said it was a blotch on the land, as in it didn't have a place there and didn't work in harmony with the enviroment around them. Orgrimmar, despite its warrior city handle, did work more in harmony with things, wood, stone, leather, bone, where as black metal eyesores doesn't.
Stop dismissing the obvious, it bears an obvious reflection to the dark horde, and you just keep looking the other way about it.
Post by
Adamsm
(an eyesore on the land as said in rise of the horde)/sigh Said by Durotan, who didn't want the war, and agreed with by Doomhammer; beyond that though, we don't know how the rest of the Horde felt about it.
He also said it was a blotch on the land, as in it didn't have a place there and didn't work in harmony with the enviroment around them. Orgrimmar, despite its warrior city handle, did work more in harmony with things, wood, stone, leather, bone, where as black metal eyesores doesn't.
Stop dismissing the obvious, it bears an obvious reflection to the dark horde, and you just keep looking the other way about it.
Again, though, that's your opinion about, just as my opinion is that just because it's black metal doesn't make it evil. The only one dismissing things is you, and your hatred of Garrosh, your love of Thrall, and your belief that without him, the entire Horde is going to turn to %^&*.
Post by
taurenmoo812
(an eyesore on the land as said in rise of the horde)/sigh Said by Durotan, who didn't want the war, and agreed with by Doomhammer; beyond that though, we don't know how the rest of the Horde felt about it.
He also said it was a blotch on the land, as in it didn't have a place there and didn't work in harmony with the enviroment around them. Orgrimmar, despite its warrior city handle, did work more in harmony with things, wood, stone, leather, bone, where as black metal eyesores doesn't.
Stop dismissing the obvious, it bears an obvious reflection to the dark horde, and you just keep looking the other way about it.
Again, though, that's your opinion about, just as my opinion is that just because it's black metal doesn't make it evil. The only one dismissing things is you, and your hatred of Garrosh, your love of Thrall, and your belief that without him, the entire Horde is going to turn to %^&*.
you know I'm just gonna go to bed, cause I'm tired of this conversation. But before I do, I'm not the only one who sees this same thing, I'm just actully speaking up about it. And honestly, you being an alliance fan, if this was turned on its head and you in my shoes, you'd be saying the same thing I'm saying, how obvious it is.
The design of the buildings, the action of the warsong of late, the way how garrosh only believes power = everything, all this bears what could be the horde reverting back to its old ways. And well that obviously won't happen in the greater scheme of things, it will happen in that we need to witness it in the story as it occurs.
Garrosh reflects what bad there is in the dark elements of the horde, and they have only come to surface more now because of him being there.
You can believe all you want that he's going to be changed into a redeemable character, but thats really why your dodging obvious facts about what he represents isn't it? Yeah I am a massive fan of Thrall, which is just as well, cause it stopped be getting strung up by this garroshism that everyones being force feed.
Whatever, if you can't see how his black metal design resembles hellfire citadel, or his belief in strength is everything, and crushing all those benief his feet are just what the old horde was like, so be it, least I'll get to say I told you so.
Post by
Adamsm
That's the thing though, while it is true people do think as you do, not everyone believes that Garrosh is going to end up causing a second Dark Horde to rise, and I'm sorry, but a couple of bone headed moves doesn't prove it. As I've said, Black does not equal evil for everything; but hey whatever... just realize that goes both ways, while you can tell us 'Told you so' we have every right to do the same when Garrosh doesn't transform the current Horde into the New Dark Horde.
Edit: Also, nice, going for the Alliance fan shot, as if that automatically invalidates my own right to think of something different; bravo Tauren, bravo.
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374287
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Post by
taurenmoo812
Tauren, have you ever taken a walk through Undercity? Garry (I'm using that til it sticks) could post enemies heads on spikes every 10 yards around Org and it wouldn't be as creepy. The Horde isn't just Orgrimmar and the Orcs. It's tough times ahead, and Garry's got to do what he's got to do to protect his Horde.
Think about Thunder Bluff for a second. The big bad could fly on up there and start setting their teepees and totem poles on fire, then catching the cows who jumped off in flight. It's gotta look like a big barbeque waiting for the flame to him. In fact, i'm gonna be disappointed if he doesn't stop over for a burger. Wouldn't make sense not to.
The design of undercity has nothing to do with the orcs of orgrimmar, the city was made up by the scourge, and then taken by the forsaken and sylvanas.
The greatest threat I see from garrosh, is that he won't know when to stop his pursuit for power and control, he already had that clear in his want to kill all those he considers weak, or have them out of his sight.
Edit: Also, nice, going for the Alliance fan shot, as if that automatically invalidates my own right to think of something different; bravo Tauren, bravo.
pov is important when it comes to understanding the difference between your own side and the other. you might be a lore fan, but your an alliance player first off. It be like me saying how I think certain alliance leaders are weak and need replacing, despite the fact I'm not an alliance player.
If I was to start saying Velen did nothing now but stand in his crystal palace, and keep saying it, I'm certain you'd have a certain amount of protest to that.
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374287
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Post by
Adamsm
Edit: Also, nice, going for the Alliance fan shot, as if that automatically invalidates my own right to think of something different; bravo Tauren, bravo.
pov is important when it comes to understanding the difference between your own side and the other. you might be a lore fan, but your an alliance player first off. It be like me saying how I think certain alliance leaders are weak and need replacing, despite the fact I'm not an alliance player.
If I was to start saying Velen did nothing now but stand in his crystal palace, and keep saying it, I'm certain you'd have a certain amount of protest to that.
Um.. no I wouldn't; I want to see other faction leaders become as active as Varian on Alliance side. And POV is one thing.. but being blind to the idea that someone out there can lead the Horde beyond Thrall is just narrow minded; I could see you bashing anyone Blizzard would want to 'replace' Thrall, whether it was Cairne, Vol'jin, Saurfang, Drek'thar or Rehgar Earthfury; to you, there cannot be a Horde without Thrall, which is a really bad stance to take in case Thrall ever dies; that would mean the entire Horde would fall apart.
Post by
Monday
The design of undercity has nothing to do with the orcs of orgrimmar, the city was made up by the scourge, and then taken by the forsaken and sylvanas.
Nope, originally built by the people (living) of Lordaeron
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92105
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Post by
Monday
Undercity was a Scourge base. Lordaeron is the city on top of it and was made by humans.
Nope. Read RotLK.
Edit:The Undercity was a sewer complex created by the living people of Lordaeron. Soldiers were sent down every once in awhile to clear the homeless, criminals and whatnot out of there, but they never could fully. Eventually when the city was taken Arthas used it for awhile and then the Forsaken took it and finished the series of Crypts added by Arthas (as none are mentioned before.)
Edit 2: The crypts were there as well, used for Lordaeron loyalty.
The Undercity was so named many years before the Forsaken claimed it as their own. Far beneath the palace of Lordaeron, the Undercity held the ancient crypts and catacombs of Lordaeron's royalty, as well as the city's dungeons and sewers. When the Alliance captured Orgrim Doomhammer, they sent him to the Undercity; sometime later he managed to escape and wandered for many years afterwards.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Um.. no I wouldn't; I want to see other faction leaders become as active as Varian on Alliance side. And POV is one thing.. but being blind to the idea that someone out there can lead the Horde beyond Thrall is just narrow minded; I could see you bashing anyone Blizzard would want to 'replace' Thrall, whether it was Cairne, Vol'jin, Saurfang, Drek'thar or Rehgar Earthfury; to you, there cannot be a Horde without Thrall, which is a really bad stance to take in case Thrall ever dies; that would mean the entire Horde would fall apart.
I never said the horde wouldn't exist without Thrall. But this horde, the current horde that I play, wouldn't exist if not for him. If not for one of the more unique lore figures in warcrafts lore leading his people the way he did, the orcs would still be a lord of the rings spin of architypal bad guys vs the whiter then white humans.
You call me narrow minded, yet you got so easily strung up the this garroshism everyone else got hooked on, with the same lines like 'maybe it'll be a good change' or 'it needs something new'. At least I remain loyal to what a character represents rather then pushing them aside for the newest thing to come along. That is what I call fickle. Such as...
But he doesn't do anything else. Neither do any of the leaders (aside from holiday appearances like tapping a keg or lighting an effigy). Why I can't wait for a real leader like Garry. Time for some action!
This is an example of someone who gets drawn into whatever the newest craze is, without looking at what there actully is.
And one thing, Thrall has been the most active leader of all the horde leaders (only seconded by sylvanas), even if you don't see it.
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92105
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Post by
Adamsm
You call me narrow minded, yet you got so easily strung up the this garroshism everyone else got hooked on, with the same lines like 'maybe it'll be a good change' or 'it needs something new'. At least I remain loyal to what a character represents rather then pushing them aside for the newest thing to come along. That is what I call fickle.I'm sorry.. what? So the fact that unlike you, who is complaining long and loud because of a change where we know maybe 10% of the facts, I'm waiting to see the full thing, and learn everything that Blizzard is going to do with Garrosh makes me fickle? Then fickle I am in wanting to see an evolution to the story, and one that hopefully won't mimic that god-awful 11th hour Lich King bull crap.
Or are you targeting me because, unlike you who sees the sun rise and set on Thrall, I don't see him as the ultimate god and creator of the Warcraft universe; I'm sorry Tauren, but while I like both factions, I would rather see the story move ahead, and hopefully have all the faction leaders get off their arses, and get out there and do stuff. And FYI; Thrall is off to a good start for that for me, seeing as he's actively working out in the world, helping against the threat wanting to transform the world into one of two things; Slaves or Food.
I find it amusing how, because I do reveal I have faction pride, and I'm not ashamed to admit that I like the Alliance, suddenly, my so-called neutral view that you praised and thought was so great, suddenly vanishes, and in your eyes I'm suddenly on the same level of Darkton... yeah well, get over it. The Alliance fans have just as much right to praise and cheer our leaders as you do, and if you don't like, too damn bad; I'm tired of pussy footing around with you; you bash my leaders, my faction, I'll sure as hell bash yours.
Post by
Monday
Doesn't exactly change the fact that the design of WoW's Undercity has nothing to do with the rest of the Horde because what's there is the remains of the Scourge presence modified by the Forsaken.
That wasn't your point though.
I was correcting Tauren's statement (read it, it's wrong), and then you came and told me I was wrong, so I told you that you were wrong.
And I was right. I'm sorry, deal with it (I apologize for arrogance in this post, it just came out =P )
The Alliance fans have just as much right to praise and cheer our leaders as you do, and if you don't like, too damn bad; I'm tired of pussy footing around with you; you bash my leaders, my faction, I'll sure as hell bash yours.
This ^^ QFT to the max.
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