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Post by
Davidson
I have a confession.
VOA 25. 1 other Ret Pally besides me.
Sanctified Leggings drop. Before I roll, I get my whisper to the RL ready. I roll a 20, he rolls a 98.
I immediately whisper to the raid leader, "Dude, he did 2K DPS on that fight." (true).
After 20 seconds, RL responds, "Do you have damage meter?"
I respond in whisper with recount showing me in the top 5 and him at 2.7K DPS.
He drops the loot in my bag w/o saying anything. The Ret Pally drops group w/o saying anything.
No one notices.
Should I feel bad? Do you forgive me?
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Post by
NeoBlackheart
I don't have a reason to have anything against you but that raid leader should have given it to him. IF he was in lower end gear if he was wearing gear like you have or better well.. still bad move on the raid leader.
Post by
TheReal
You should feel bad, but not nearly as bad as the RL. And no, you don't get absolution.
This. Was there minimum DPS stated at the beginning of the run? No? Then you are conniving and the RL was even worse.
Post by
RareLine
I would have done the same thing... He should be happy that he got his frosts and if he says that he deserves it then I would tell him that 24 other people carried him through that fight. There is no reason for pulling less than 3k at 80. I was pulling 2.7k single target at lvl75 on my Druid.
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260787
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Post by
Adross
Both RL and you are in the fault.
I have lost gear like this also but if I was in the shoes of that 2k I would be aggravated.
Post by
MasterOutlaw
There is no reason to make a player exempt from raid loot just because their DPS wasn't up to par with someone else in the raid.
There is if you wind up carrying said person. If they're performing far below what they should, it's unfair to the other people in the raid to carry them around and hand them loot they don't really deserve. Simply being in the raid during an encounter isn't enough to entitle you to a chance at gear if you can't or wont pull your own weight. This includes low DPS, low HPS, and getting yourself (or others) killed in stupid ways.
I would have done the same thing as the OP.
Post by
RareLine
A roll is a roll and you lost.
You're just as important as he is, even if he only contributed 2k DPS. If you believe that you're more important, than either you should have left or you should have asked for him to be removed before he was saved. There is no reason to make a player exempt from raid loot just because their DPS wasn't up to par with someone else in the raid.
That's just greedy; it's a team game, not an individual one.
If your dps is lower than the tanks you don't deserve loot, you signed up as dps and you did not live up to that obligation
/end of discussion.
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260787
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Post by
ChairmanKaga
You're just as important as he is, even if he only contributed 2k DPS.
And he's going to keep contributing 2K DPS if people keep taking upgrades from him.
OP: Think about it from that angle next time.
Post by
MasterOutlaw
Then don't bring them along. If you honestly believe that you could have done it without that player, then you should have removed them or set raid loot rules beforehand so players don't lose out.
Even if it's 2k, it's 2k faster than if they weren't there. If you're rolling for loot, then DPS/HPS shouldn't play any importance unless that player was AFK during the encounter.
Selfishness is not an excuse.
When you invite a person to a raid it's usually giving them the benefit of the doubt that they'll perform to the expectations established by their gear and/or class. You can't usually tell someone is flat out going to perform poorly until after the encounter is over and by then it's too late to do anything other than refusing to hand them loot.
I'm not seeing how it's selfish to expect someone to perform within reason, but it's perfectly reasonable for someone to scrape by doing less than the bare minimum and be rewarded for it.
Post by
Orranis
If there was no prior rule that loot was given based on performance, yes, you should feel bad.
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260787
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Post by
Kelborn
Then don't bring them along. If you honestly believe that you could have done it without that player, then you should have removed them or set raid loot rules beforehand so players don't lose out.
Even if it's 2k, it's 2k faster than if they weren't there. If you're rolling for loot, then DPS/HPS shouldn't play any importance unless that player was AFK during the encounter.
Selfishness is not an excuse.
When you invite a person to a raid it's usually giving them the benefit of the doubt that they'll perform to the expectations established by their gear and/or class. You can't usually tell someone is flat out going to perform poorly until after the encounter is over and by then it's too late to do anything other than refusing to hand them loot.
I'm not seeing how it's selfish to expect someone to perform within reason, but it's perfectly reasonable for someone to scrape by doing less than the bare minimum and be rewarded for it.
This. I've been trying to say this on other threads of similar topic, but you people just don't seem to get it. Is the Wowhead community these days just full of scrubs who like to QQ and get carried? I'm sorry, but if you're on a ICC level boss doing 2k dps then you should be damn lucky you weren't kicked mid fight and even got a chance at the Frost badges.
If you don't pull your weight you don't deserve loot. And people, stop giving the bs excuse "if he wasn't going to pull his weight you shouldn't have brought him". You can't know that until after the encounter.
And he's going to keep contributing 2K DPS if people keep taking upgrades from him.
OP: Think about it from that angle next time.
As said, doing 2k dps at the gear leveled required be in a group for Toravon... it's not gear that's the issue. L2play and contribute to the group as expected for the content. Maybe once you stop being bad you'll get loot.
Edit: To clarify: Performance expectations are set by the raid content level.
Post by
Hurono
Well, I appreciate the fact you even brought this up OP. Most people hide this kind of thing from the public.
However, I'm not sure who should be feeling worse, you for pulling that move or the other Pally for failing to do more DPS than my level 70 Warrior.
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260787
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Post by
ChairmanKaga
As said, doing 2k dps at the gear leveled required be in a group for Toravon... it's not gear that's the issue. L2play and contribute to the group as expected for the content.
And I assume you'll be first in line for the teaching jobs, right?
Post by
Br0tha
I always go by the rules : "Pull your share or no loot". It's in all my loot rules.
Even if you do a 12k dps on marrowgar, if you're not !@#$ing dpsing the spike, you skip loot.
So, don't feel bad, rejoince your loot. Anyway, if someone call for ninja, it won't be you but the RL.
So, it was just the RL decision. You only gave him a suggestion anyway, you never forced him to gave them to you.
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