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Hardest Alliance and Horde capital city to invade lore-wise
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Monday
Ironforge's mountain can collapse by using some explosives.
Do you know how many explosives you would need to destroy the mountain?
A lot more than you could ever get there, that's for sure.
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Gumball
Ironforge's mountain can collapse by using some explosives.
Do you know how many explosives you would need to destroy the mountain?
A lot more than you could ever get there, that's for sure.
Goblins can.
And it's not needed to destroy the whole mountain. Just enough of it to crush the city.
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Adamsm
Ironforge's mountain can collapse by using some explosives.
Do you know how many explosives you would need to destroy the mountain?
A lot more than you could ever get there, that's for sure.
Goblins can.
And it's not needed to destroy the whole mountain. Just enough of it to crush the city.
It would require every explosive in Azeroth to destroy all of Ironforge and the mountain that surrounds it.....
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Gumball
Uhm, well yes you're right: it requires alot of explosives.
But the mountain is some sort of volcano (if i'm not mistaken, the lava inside makes me think about it), so the explosives would be positioned in some strategic places to make the lava burn the city, and finish the job.
It would require alot of studies and stuff, but, heh, those are war strategies.
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Adamsm
Uhm, well yes you're right: it requires alot of explosives.
But the mountain is some sort of volcano (if i'm not mistaken, the lava inside makes me think about it), so the explosives would be positioned in some strategic places to make the lava burn the city, and finish the job.
It would require alot of studies and stuff, but, heh, those are war strategies.
Except the enemy has to get into the city first to use the lava, as there is no cone for a volcano. And in an actual war, all the entrances into Ironforge would be guarded and watched, and if the guards suddenly disappeared they would know right away.
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Skreeran
As far as Teldrassil goes, I'd just blockade it, and then set it on fire.
Really, a blockade would be able to fell any city, so long as reinforcement could be delayed, besides Stormwind and Ironforge, thanks to their tram. Teldrassil, also, since it's so much bigger than just Darnassus, and would have its own farms and things to sustain it for a while (though not necessarily indefinitely). But still, don't see any reason that you couldn't get Teldrassil to burn.
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Gumball
Uhm, well yes you're right: it requires alot of explosives.
But the mountain is some sort of volcano (if i'm not mistaken, the lava inside makes me think about it), so the explosives would be positioned in some strategic places to make the lava burn the city, and finish the job.
It would require alot of studies and stuff, but, heh, those are war strategies.
Except the enemy has to get into the city first to use the lava, as there is no cone for a volcano. And in an actual war, all the entrances into Ironforge would be guarded and watched, and if the guards suddenly disappeared they would know right away.
Making a little part of the volcano to collapse, will set free the lava, which can both get out or burn the city.
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Adamsm
Making a little part of the volcano to collapse, will set free the lava, which can both get out or burn the city.
Except again... there is no way to reach the lava from the outside; the magma is drawn up out of the earth to heat the forges and the other machines in the city; Ironforge is not an active volcano.
As far as Teldrassil goes, I'd just blockade it, and then set it on fire.
Really, a blockade would be able to fell any city, so long as reinforcement could be delayed, besides Stormwind and Ironforge, thanks to their tram. Teldrassil, also, since it's so much bigger than just Darnassus, and would have its own farms and things to sustain it for a while (though not necessarily indefinitely). But still, don't see any reason that you couldn't get Teldrassil to burn.
The sheer size of it? Even if the Night elves can't get to the part and put out the flames, it would still take a long while for it to burn.... if it does burn now a days, after the blessings of Alexstraza and Ysera.
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Skreeran
Eh... Wood burns.
And even if it takes a few weeks for the fire to have any real effect, that's what the blockade's for.
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Adamsm
Yeah, but how do you blockade the Elves who are on the inside and can run to put out the fires? I mean, the blockade would be a sea one after all, keeping the Elves from getting out to get help.... but if the Horde lands on the Island, and starts moving inwards, they would be the ones in danger; the Night Elves could attack from multiple directions, striking and fading away into the branches, there would be the Ancients who patrol it hitting any invading force, and the Tree itself would probably attack with the help of the Druids; holes appearing under invading forces, roots and branches coming to life to knock the Horde back or strangle them....in that case, your not just fighting another army, your fighting the land itself.
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Skreeran
Yeah, but how do you blockade the Elves who are on the inside and can run to put out the fires? I mean, the blockade would be a sea one after all, keeping the Elves from getting out to get help.... but if the Horde lands on the Island, and starts moving inwards, they would be the ones in danger; the Night Elves could attack from multiple directions, striking and fading away into the branches, there would be the Ancients who patrol it hitting any invading force, and the Tree itself would probably attack with the help of the Druids; holes appearing under invading forces, roots and branches coming to life to knock the Horde back or strangle them....in that case, your not just fighting another army, your fighting the land itself.Try "hurling fireballs from ship mounted catapults while mages and warlocks throw fire at the upper branches and goblins drop bombs from the sky."
I wouldn't underestimate the Horde's ability to burn things. Don't forget Tol Barad, another "unassailable fortress."
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Adamsm
I'm sure its possible to make a hole in Teldrassil so the offense can enter. Or even to open a portal somewhere in the island from the outside.Warcraft portals follow the same rules as nearly every other portal system; you need to know where your going to open one, so if the Horde mage has never been there, he can't just suddenly open one up.
Or to call upon multiple Rains of Fire combined with Monsoons and bombardment to blow the tree.Would need massive amounts of those.
And doesn't Teldrassil have a hole on its top so that sunlight can enter?And it would be defended by both Hippogryph riders and the animals of Teldrassil, striking at those who attempted to come in from above(same as any city with aerial defense).
in that case, your not just fighting another army, your fighting the land itself.
You're always fighting the land itself when the enemy has spellcasters.More so against Night Elf Druids; after all, they are the ones who created Teldrassil itself.
the Night Elves could attack from multiple directions, striking and fading away into the branches, there would be the Ancients who patrol it hitting any invading force, and the Tree itself would probably attack with the help of the Druids
Wouldn't that have been a problem since the invading force first set foot in Ashenvale forest?Refer above; Ashenvale is a natural forest, this is the homeland of the Night Elves, created by the Druids, with the largest force of their armies there.
Try "hurling fireballs from ship mounted catapults while mages and warlocks throw fire at the upper branches and goblins drop bombs from the sky."
I wouldn't underestimate the Horde's ability to burn things. Don't forget Tol Barad, another "unassailable fortress."
I'm not trying to, I'm just saying, it wouldn't be 'Horde burns the Forest again! We wins!' as they don't have the same aerial forces the Old Horde did in the Second War; plus, as I said to Delt, there would also be the aerial forces of the Night Elves fighting back against strikes from above. And while you can attack the Island from the sea, you wouldn't really be hitting anything vital, as that's just the edge of the tree and the new growth, all the major things are deep within the island after all.
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Adamsm
This doesn't address the possibility of simply opening a hole somewhere in the tree's base.And whoever did that would probably be killed; Teldrassil protects itself after all.
Don't think WoW scale. A single Blizzard spell is capable to rout entire armies.In that same vein; Teldrassil is more or less a mini-continent, built on a tree; it's larger then we realize in Lore.
Its a dog fight then. Just like any other and the defense may lose.No kidding, but that doesn't mean the offense will automatically win.
The only advantage the Night Elf Druids have in Teldrassil is the fact that they know the place. A drawback that was won throught war in Ashenvale, Darkshore and possibly Felwood.And the fact that the Druids, or at least Malfurion is now tied into the Tree; he used it to keep those who were awake safe from the Nightmare forces in Stormrage once he cleansed the taint. If the Archdruid is there during the assault, he would probably be able to call on the Tree to help again.
An offensive army reaching Teldrassil and then having to face the full might of the darnassian army would imply that the Night Elves held back their numbers. I don't think this can be the case.
Ashenvale is indeed the Night Elves' territory, so is Teldrassil. And they aren't unbeatable just because of that.I'm betting there are more armed forces on Teldrassil then there are anywhere else. And of course not, just like the Forsaken aren't in the Undercity or the Tauren in Thunder Bluff; but because of what Teldrassil is, the Night Elves have access to something more then either of those locations.
The Horde has Orcish and Tauren Wyverns, more Goblin powered Zeppelins than ever before, Thalassian Dragonhawk Riders and Forsaken/Troll Bat Handlers. I think their air force is sizable enough to win a singled out darnassian air defense.Right... except again, it's not just the Darnassian aerial forces, it would also be the animals, such as Chimeras, Hippogryphs and whatever else that can fly attacking the invaders as well; that's one of the reason why no one was flying into Hyjal before Cataclysm: The Night Elves had asked for help of the large aerial predators to keep invaders out from above, as well as the animals in the forest to do the same for those traveling over land.
If you're attacking the Island from the sea you might as well as be advancing through the tree. You'll eventually reach the other side.You can... but there are the mountains there, as well as the Tree itself, which wouldn't take kindly to an advancing army... not to mention again, the army of the Night Elves, the Ancients, the Protectors and the rest that make Teldrassil their home.
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Adamsm
You know whatever Delt; fine Teldrassil will fall to the might of the Horde, the Night Elves will be destroyed, and the Alliance loses a race. I'm tired of this argument going nowhere.
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