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We talking about serious healing.. why priest??
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Robotusch
That right there is enough to tell me that you shouldn't have ever started this thread and that you should stop trying to find some kind of proof that the priest class are bad healers. If you don't know anything about the class how can you make such a bold statement?
Meditation
does exactly what it says. 30% of the character's mana regeneration is continued while casting. If you have 100 mp5 while not casting, meditation gives you 30 mp5 while casting. Understand?
That's a VERY basic description of mana regen via Meditation.
Meditation allows for 30% of your spirit regen to continue outside the five second rule (= no spirit regen for five seconds after casting a spell that cost mana), whereas Mp5 regen runs all the time.
To clarify a few points... Chain is not a bad spell. I happen to like the spell and its effects when I'm part of the group getting its benefits. However, the holy priests I run with (and who I have modeled my playstyle after) never run out of mana, use AoE heals, virtually never get aggro, and could be considered nothing short of spectacular. I feel honored to have been taught how to play the class by these people.
A spectacular player != spectacular class
Shammies I have grouped with don't seem to be able to keep up. They do a great job, and hold thier own, but when we raid, the shammy isn't put on group detail. The priest is. Shammies, in my experience, rarely cast chain heal in the raid. They are too focused on keeping the tank alive.
A poor player != poor class
And why on earth would a shaman use chain heal, if they've been told to heal the main tank? Different spells for different tasks.
The last raid we did, I saw 5x the number of Circle of Healing and Prayer of Healing spells than I saw chain lightning.
Of course you did, if the priests were on raid healing duty and the shaman were on single-target healing.
Simply put, I bash on shammies because the shammies I've seen don't do what you others claim. You expound on the virtues of ONE SPELL in a shammy's repetoire, and ignore that a priest can do all that and more.
Circle of healing? Heals everyone around the target and generates aggro for that target. Chain heal doesn't do that.
.. but Earth Shield does. Here's a kicker, Prayer of Healing gives aggro to the priest! You're comparing apples to oranges here.
Chain heal hits a max of 3 people. WITH diminishing returns on each target hit. The priest equivilent, Prayer of mending hits a max of 6 people, and the healing power doesn't diminish.
Prayer of Mending has a 10 second cooldown, Chain heal doesn't. Apples vs Oranges.
Druids shifting to cat form... Yes, I've seen this and I've had raid leads ask for this.
Sounds like a raid leader I'd hate to raid with then. A druid going catform while wearing healing gear, isn't really going to do much damage at all. Sure, he might be able to regen a bit faster (does Judgement of Wisdom procs work in catform?), but if he's oom he's most likely done something very wrong (Hai Innervate). The only reason I could see a healing druid hit cat form, would be to Cower in AoE-healing situations.
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JayRay
Priests are also the only class that there sole duty (unless they're shadow in which case why the hell are you a priest when mages got better dps) is to heal and the only non-hybrid class for the job at that...if speccing disc too...the tank get a big improvment in dps from 50% reflected damage off of PW: Shield
Ok, try doing ANY 25 man raid that you are geared at the level of, without a shadow priest.
Also, saying that priest is ONLY meant to heal is very narrow minded, we relate to a dps warrior mostly, i'll explain.
Priests can:
Heal
Dps
Warriors can:
Tank
DPS
We are the only class that can only choose healing/tanking or dps. The other classes either HAVE to be dps, or can be tank, healer, or dps. (Pallys and druids)
Blizz wouldnt make a class that only can tank, or only can heal, thus the shadow tree.
DPS warriors have a mix of arms and fury, prot warriors also have a mix, (to a lesser extent)
That is why we relate to warriors, and I really have no idea what made me start talking about it.
oh well....I said it.
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Post by
Robyn
Kryz got it right. You take Priests for the versatility... they may not be most efficient, or have the best area heal, but they are the best at keeping a group alive. Especially cloth wearers, where PW:S is just godly compared to Flash or a druid's HoTs.
The only problem is, with anything up to 9 different distinct healing spells - flash, gh, pw:s, poh, pom, renew, holy nova, binding heal, coh - picking the best heal for the best situation is far from easy.
On defense, well, priests aren't that badly off. They may have low armour, but Fade, Shield, Binding Heal and Psychic Scream do give them a few options... compare that to a druid, where Barkskin (ooh, 20% damage reduction, that'll save me) and self-healing (threat-magnet ahoy) is your lot, unless you want to go Bear and blow 1k mana. That leather armour doesn't count for much, let me tell you.
The problem is more that Paladins with their plate and Shamans with Mail + Shield are overpowered on the defense front, and it's free to boot, no mana cost or time loss, just carry on healing...
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Robyn
Sounds like a raid leader I'd hate to raid with then. A druid going catform while wearing healing gear, isn't really going to do much damage at all. Sure, he might be able to regen a bit faster (does Judgement of Wisdom procs work in catform?), but if he's oom he's most likely done something very wrong (Hai Innervate). The only reason I could see a healing druid hit cat form, would be to Cower in AoE-healing situations.
Actually there's another excellent reason:
In any situation where there are mana-burning mobs around druids can protect their mana pools by tossing a few HoTs and then going cat. That way they can regen through mana burning phases.
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Nicarras
Man, for one priests have so much utility and so many ways to heal themselves...if they wore anything more than cloth they would be unkillable.
Ever tried to dual a disc priest in PVP gear?
One reason to bring priests to raids is for Circle of Healing, it is just about on par with Chain Heal from the WWS of my guild over the last month and a half.
Priests are utility healers plain and simple in BC. In 25 mans they provide support healing to the heavy lifters as well as a great AOE heal.
To the OP, that Archi staff is still pretty nice, even if it doesnt have Spi on it.
Yes I do have a 70 priest btw :P
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The only problem is, with anything up to 9 different distinct healing spells - flash, gh, pw:s, poh, pom, renew, holy nova, binding heal, coh - picking the best heal for the best situation is far from easy.I'd say that's a plus ;) Healing with a Priest is much less boring than any other.
If you have 100 mp5 while not casting, meditation gives you 30 mp5 while casting. Understand?Incorrect. Mp5 is always active, regardless of casting or not. Its regen from Spirit that Mediation allows. If you have 100 mp5 from Spirit, 30 of that will continue.
Oh, and a Priest with Inner Fire up (which you always should have) has more armor than a Druid in caster.
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