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Murrdurr
I ran a chain of heroics on my protadin with 2 DKs and a mage pulling 7k+ dps constantly, I had no threat issues. Honestly it seems like the people complaining are the people that are failing at tanking in the first place.
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Murrdurr
well marra, according to your armory you havent used any of your talent points yet heh. And also...well...your gear is pretty horrible for something like HFoS
Edit: I just realized my armory hasnt updated in like 2 days still showing my crappy gear lol, but still if yours is anything like it is now you gotta work on getting that gear before you start complaining about icc geared dps taking threat from you
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Post by
Adamsm
He needs to put out more threat and react more quickly.Right, as long as he's given a chance as the mage and warlock open up right off the back with aoe damage, sending the mob pack scattering in all directions, and just for fun, add in the Typhoon happy Druids knocking the mobs back even farther. It's not just the tank, it's the dps as well.
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DeeJerz
DPSers pulling aggro in a fiveman is a tank problem. Not a tank gear problem. Not a DPS problem. The tank needs to play his character better. He needs to put out more threat and react more quickly.
DPS pulling threat is a Tanks fault? Look at that again.... read it over again..... now try to understand where this is going.... Sadly you are mistaken here.
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Adamsm
Aestu, your also a faceroller tank; you have your Avenging Shield, Consecrate, and the Seal that is an auto cleave. Warrior tanks....not so much, if the dps doesn't give us a chance to get the threat, they will eat the mobs, and I tell the groups I tank just that; you want to pad your recount and pull get the crazy dps, then enjoy eating the mob's crits in the face.
If the tank is not moving aggressively enough to get aggro before the DPS decide to do it for him, it is a tank problem......There is so much fail in that statement.
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DeeJerz
He needs to put out more threat and react more quickly.Right, as long as he's given a chance as the mage and warlock open up right off the back with aoe damage, sending the mob pack scattering in all directions, and just for fun, add in the Typhoon happy Druids knocking the mobs back even farther. It's not just the tank, it's the dps as well.
DPSers pulling aggro in a fiveman is a tank problem. Not a tank gear problem. Not a DPS problem. The tank needs to play his character better. He needs to put out more threat and react more quickly.
DPS pulling threat is a Tanks fault? Look at that again.... read it over again..... now try to understand where this is going.... Sadly you are mistaken here.
I know this sounds nuts, but try to imagine for a moment: you the tank aren't perfect. If something isn't going as it should, perhaps you might be able to do some things a bit better. Crazy thought, huh?
The issues you are describing do not exist.
If DPS are threat capped it is a tank problem.
If the tank is not moving aggressively enough to get aggro before the DPS decide to do it for him, it is a tank problem.
So you are telling me.... DPS going all out before the tank has established ANY THREAT is the tanks fault. Ok good job at looking stupid. It's not a Tanks fault for example that a Hunter does not know how to use Misdirection, again good job at looking stupid.
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DeeJerz
Look at it this way:
Why haven't you established threat yet?
And why do you need a hunter to establish threat for you?
Why haven't I.. because I haven't even started to attack yet the DPS thinks the tank will get it off me. Nope won't happen
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Post by
xaratherus
Look at it this way:
Why haven't you established threat yet?
And why do you need a hunter to establish threat for you?
If Blizzard did not consider these tools useful in some situations, why do you think they would leave them in the game?
Aggro management is as much the responsibility of the DPS as it is the tank. Arguing that it's the tank's fault if a DPS starts attacking before the tank has even moved in to start gaining threat is just silly.
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xaratherus
If Blizzard did not consider these tools useful in some situations, why do you think they would leave them in the game?
They were removed because they WERE faceroll, or at least that was the perception. Merely because these tools no longer allow holding aoe threat to be relatively trivial, does not mean that is now impossible, or that there's any excuse other than player error to accept a lower level of performance.
I meant Misdirect/Tricks of the Trade, Vanish, FD, Feign, Soul Shatter, and the like.
A DPS who pulls aggro from the tank and fails to use the tools given to them to manage their aggro is a
bad
DPS. That does not say anything regarding the tank's skill.
Aggro management is as much the responsibility of the DPS as it is the tank. Arguing that it's the tank's fault if a DPS starts attacking before the tank has even moved in to start gaining threat is just silly.
I addressed this. The tank needs to be more aggressive. The tank should be on point and in a position to control the pulls.
And DPS should be cognizant of the tank's position and status, or they should be prepared to die for attacking before the tank has established aggro. You did not address this in a way that altered my opinion at all. You toss responsibility for aggro management solely to the tank, and frankly the evidence does not support that idea in the least; if it did, then aggro-reduction abilities and aggro-redirection abilities would not exist in the game.
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Interest
Congratulations! This thread got aestued.
Lol.
Post by
Lorkin
Why haven't I.. because I haven't even started to attack yet the DPS thinks the tank will get it off me. Nope won't happen
That's your group telling you that you are too slow. You are the reason people put tanks on the ignore list. Blah blah blah, whine, whine. whine, qq more please.
Did you ever stop and look around and see other tanks having ZERO threat issues? They must be magic right? No, that just means that they are doing it right and you are so full of fail.
Stop the QQ, and LEARN how to tank dude. My dps dropped a bit for AoE, but I still don't have any aggro issues. Single target or aoe, they are still on me like glue. Only time I have any issues is if the rogues and hunters MD and TotT the fury warrior just to get him killed. 9/10 times though I can still taunt.
Edit: My only complaint was that I didn't have enough points left to put into
Pursuit of Justice
. I need to pull FASTER!
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