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Any other casual players considering quitting?
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Post by
Gates
Completely wrong. I agree with the original poster 100%. Been playing since Vanilla myself and Cata is a serious setback to what made the game fun. I could care less about epics but I'd like to be able to get some gear once in awhile. My first regular dungeon in 2 weeks and a ret pally doing 2K DPS overall won a major upgrade for my warlock. And I was top DPS at 8000dps overall. And....it took over an hour to complete for a whopping 70 Justice Points. Blue upgrades on the AH going for 15K. Epics for 20-50K... yeah..hours and hours of dailies or grinding (days more really).
Fun? More like a grindfest thats getting older and older as we speak.
I don't agree with this. At all.
I am a casual myself. Have been since vanilla. I am speaking from the perspective of a tank.
From what I see, most "casuals" that hate Cataclysm are dps who hate having to do work to get into dungeons and get gear.
Ever tried tanking at the beginning of any of the previous expansions? You had to farm for days to get defense capped. We tanks, unlike dps, actually NEEDED to buy the craftable upgrades on the AH to be successful at anything. Dps have never had a need to, until Cataclysm, and I think that is where all the QQ is coming from.
I really don't even see the issue. Tanks have always had to put days of effort into gearing themselves to do anything. Now dps have to do the same. I see nothing to cry about.
Post by
Adamsm
To the OP: You don't like Cata, lock your toons at one of the other expansion caps, and your fine.
To the tone of your post: Cry more.
Post by
Zorrah
Fun? More like a grindfest thats getting older and older as we speak.
A Vanilla player claiming that Cataclysm is too grindy? What is this?
Oh, right. Rose-tinted specs, I guess.
I played Vanilla and didn't find it as near as bad as Cata. It was long yes...but the attitudes were better, iLvl wasn't around and people actually set out to help each other.
Imagine that Mr. rose colored specs....
Post by
Adamsm
Fun? More like a grindfest thats getting older and older as we speak.
A Vanilla player claiming that Cataclysm is too grindy? What is this?
Oh, right. Rose-tinted specs, I guess.
I played Vanilla and didn't find it as near as bad as Cata. It was long yes...but the attitudes were better, iLvl wasn't around and people actually set out to help each other.
Imagine that Mr. rose colored specs....
And if you weren't in a good guild, you had no chance in hell of seeing any of the raids, or even the large dungeons as no PuGs could ever complete them back in the day. So yes, you are looking back at Vanilla, which was horrible at end game without the support of a good guild, with rose coloured specs.
Post by
Zorrah
Completely wrong. I agree with the original poster 100%. Been playing since Vanilla myself and Cata is a serious setback to what made the game fun. I could care less about epics but I'd like to be able to get some gear once in awhile. My first regular dungeon in 2 weeks and a ret pally doing 2K DPS overall won a major upgrade for my warlock. And I was top DPS at 8000dps overall. And....it took over an hour to complete for a whopping 70 Justice Points. Blue upgrades on the AH going for 15K. Epics for 20-50K... yeah..hours and hours of dailies or grinding (days more really).
Fun? More like a grindfest thats getting older and older as we speak.
I don't agree with this. At all.
I am a casual myself. Have been since vanilla. I am speaking from the perspective of a tank.
From what I see, most "casuals" that hate Cataclysm are dps who hate having to do work to get into dungeons and get gear.
Ever tried tanking at the beginning of any of the previous expansions? You had to farm for days to get defense capped. We tanks, unlike dps, actually NEEDED to buy the craftable upgrades on the AH to be successful at anything. Dps have never had a need to, until Cataclysm, and I think that is where all the QQ is coming from.
I really don't even see the issue. Tanks have always had to put days of effort into gearing themselves to do anything. Now dps have to do the same. I see nothing to cry about.
I have two tanks and they both had grind to get defense capped so don't talk like you're the only one that did it.
I have my opinion, the original poster does too. Quit whining about the people that don't like Cata. If you like it so much.....go play and stop putting other people down to make yourself feel more elite.
Post by
Zorrah
Fun? More like a grindfest thats getting older and older as we speak.
A Vanilla player claiming that Cataclysm is too grindy? What is this?
Oh, right. Rose-tinted specs, I guess.
I played Vanilla and didn't find it as near as bad as Cata. It was long yes...but the attitudes were better, iLvl wasn't around and people actually set out to help each other.
Imagine that Mr. rose colored specs....
And if you weren't in a good guild, you had no chance in hell of seeing any of the raids, or even the large dungeons as no PuGs could ever complete them back in the day. So yes, you are looking back at Vanilla, which was horrible at end game without the support of a good guild, with rose coloured specs.
Agreed. And its not nearly as bad now...but with the guild achievements and perks its sickening to see Blizz catering to raiding guilds like this.
I finally gave up on guilds. I'll never belong to one again. The two cata guilds I was in on my toons cared nothing about the people in those guilds. Its all about getting the guild to the next level. Its not about helping people. Its about helping peoples toons so that they can benefit the guild more so that the guild can get to the next level.
Sad and pathetic if you ask me.
Post by
Zorrah
I don't think casuals are considering quitting anytime soon. Heck, most people seems to be enjoying the game tremensely.
The only people I see wanting to quit the game came in with Wrath when Blizzard was handing epic's out like candy. Granted it was the end of the xpac but still, that's a bad habit to get your players into because now we have people who need to be trained out of that mindset, which I'm all for since I'm used to Cata now having played during Vanilla and TBC when Heroics were hard as hell and fun as all get out.
So yeah, only people I see quitting are those who can't face-roll 6k dps, get full purples and /flex.
Completely wrong. I agree with the original poster 100%. Been playing since Vanilla myself and Cata is a serious setback to what made the game fun. I could care less about epics but I'd like to be able to get some gear once in awhile. My first regular dungeon in 2 weeks and a ret pally doing 2K DPS overall won a major upgrade for my warlock. And I was top DPS at 8000dps overall. And....it took over an hour to complete for a whopping 70 Justice Points. Blue upgrades on the AH going for 15K. Epics for 20-50K... yeah..hours and hours of dailies or grinding (days more really).
Fun? More like a grindfest thats getting older and older as we speak.So someone who needed an upgrade more than you (since you were top DPS) won it, and you are angry at him. Maybe if you quested instead of running dungeon after dungeon you'd have more cash. Theres a reason why everything is expensive, Cata quests give TONS of gold. Also, blues are nowhere near 15k on any server. Exagerations from a QQ'er are always hilarious to watch.
If your a casual then why do you even want these things? Just find a casual guild (there are hundreds) and raid at your own pace. No one is stopping you. I just met a guild on my server, who locked all their xp at 70 and were raiding TBC like they used to. If you belong to a casual guild you can all progress at your own pace.
Dont like guilds? Then suck it up. Your playing with real people, real people who dont like carrying babys who dont have good gear or dont have any idea of how to play their class. People like you give casuals a bad name.
I'm not even sure where to start on the idiocy of this post.
I don't like guilds and refuse to be in any.
The pally that won the role vendored the item.
There's a reason why everything is expensive? I know that...its new content. But making Chaos Orbs unobtainable for people that don't do heroics is idiotic. Frozen Orbs weren't. I bought one 10 days after LK came out on the AH for my druid tank to get shoulders crafted by a Leatherworker.
Blizz dropped the ball on this expansion. If you like it fine...but not everyone does. Suck that up.
Forgot to add: I'd like to personally thank each and every person that I do heroics with after they've been nerfed...I'll be bringing my 329's in and getting carried..and be proud of it :)
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Post by
Adamsm
Agreed. And its not nearly as bad now...but with the guild achievements and perks its sickening to see Blizz catering to raiding guilds like this.
I finally gave up on guilds. I'll never belong to one again. The two cata guilds I was in on my toons cared nothing about the people in those guilds. Its all about getting the guild to the next level. Its not about helping people. Its about helping peoples toons so that they can benefit the guild more so that the guild can get to the next level.
Sad and pathetic if you ask me.
So, two out of how ever many guilds on your server means all guilds are bad? My own guild is working on Guild leveling sure.....because we want to all get the benefits from it. Seems to me, your just complaining about everything here because you can apparently. Also, see that button up there that say's 'Edit'? Hit it, and you don't have to multipost, you can actually merge them all into one.
Post by
Treskol
I'm not even sure where to start on the idiocy of this post.
Tad ironic.
I don't like guilds and refuse to be in any.
Then don't. But understand that Guilds are becoming a main factor in WoW, and Blizzard are rewarding loyal players with bonus'. Just cause you don't wanna play in one doesn't mean the system is flawed.
The pally that won the role vendored the item.
You met a moron. Everyone does.
There's a reason why everything is expensive? I know that...its new content. But making Chaos Orbs unobtainable for people that don't do heroics is idiotic. Frozen Orbs weren't. I bought one 10 days after LK came out on the AH for my druid tank to get shoulders crafted by a Leatherworker.
Cause Heroics in WotLK were challenging, right?
P.s. Heroics aren't hard, even in PuGs.
You have successfully become someone spoilt in wrath and think that should be the norm.
Blizz dropped the ball on this expansion. If you like it fine...but not everyone does. Suck that up.
Some people like this expansion. if you don't like it fine...suck it up.
ucwutididthar?
You do
not
speak for the majority when you said it, so why speak as if you are?
Forgot to add: I'd like to personally thank each and every person that I do heroics with after they've been nerfed...I'll be bringing my 329's in and getting carried..and be proud of it :)
They have said, time and time again,, they won't nerf them.
Also, you should never be carried through a dungeon. You wanna be carried through some raids as well? Arena to 2000 cause you claim to be casual?
Pro tip here: You're mixing up casual with bad.
AlsoFun? More like a grindfest thats getting older and older as we speak.
A Vanilla player claiming that Cataclysm is too grindy? What is this?
Oh, right. Rose-tinted specs, I guess.
You still haven't explained how Cata is more grindy than TBC or Vanilla, champ.
Post by
Murrdurr
Agreed. And its not nearly as bad now...but with the guild achievements and perks its sickening to see Blizz catering to raiding guilds like this.
I finally gave up on guilds. I'll never belong to one again. The two cata guilds I was in on my toons cared nothing about the people in those guilds. Its all about getting the guild to the next level. Its not about helping people. Its about helping peoples toons so that they can benefit the guild more so that the guild can get to the next level.
Sad and pathetic if you ask me.
So, two out of how ever many guilds on your server means all guilds are bad? My own guild is working on Guild leveling sure.....because we want to all get the benefits from it. Seems to me, your just complaining about everything here because you can apparently. Also, see that button up there that say's 'Edit'? Hit it, and you don't have to multipost, you can actually merge them all into one.
^this, just because you were a part of 2 failguilds doesnt mean youre entire server is like that, oh and another thing maybe move servers? Because theres plenty of them to choose from and *gasp* maybe youll find a enjoyable guild to do things with. But you cant be lazy about it, you gotta do the search yourself like a big boy, you cant be walked through everything all the time while someone is holding your hand.
Post by
TheReal
Man. Play game or no. I play because im hardcore yeah. So casual is bad. But play also good. If you are good then play. So play in my opinions. Dont stop and playing.
I wanted to say something that's been said before, like "Good players adapt and bad players QQ," but I
think
minad already said it.
When you can't shape shift as a druid and escape a snare, it's become pretty obvious that Blizz doesn't even understand their own game.
The veil is so thin...
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160546
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Post by
Gates
I have two tanks and they both had grind to get defense capped so don't talk like you're the only one that did it.
I have my opinion, the original poster does too. Quit whining about the people that don't like Cata. If you like it so much.....go play and stop putting other people down to make yourself feel more elite.
You just killed your own argument.
If you have done two defense capped tanks, then why are you crying about Cataclysm? The current grind for gear for any class is far less than the grind for getting defense capped. The raids aren't really any different than they have always been. Where's the problem?
Post by
theforgotten
I like this thread. It is interesting and new to read.
The druid nerf was warranted. Cata is fun and interesting. Stop whining or go play Runescape
Post by
MrSCH
I thought I'd write something that would bait some people but it actually seems I was on the right track. Interesting.
Post by
CNH923
Cataclysm is the bane of Wrathnoobs, not casuals.
If you think this expansion ruined your game, it's maybe because you were one of the people mentioned above.
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