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Horde: Graduating into full villainy?
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barthem
Pillaging yes, but they only ever killed humans who fought against them; they didn't go out of their way to destroy towns or villages and slaughter civilians.
gilneas didnt fought agains the horde, they were just defending there land, seems the horde is the attacker there
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Skreeran
Pillaging yes, but they only ever killed humans who fought against them; they didn't go out of their way to destroy towns or villages and slaughter civilians.
gilneas didnt fought agains the horde, they were just defending there land, seems the horde is the attacker thereThe Horde has sensible reasons for taking Gilneas, though.
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Monday
Pillaging yes, but they only ever killed humans who fought against them; they didn't go out of their way to destroy towns or villages and slaughter civilians.
gilneas didnt fought agains the horde, they were just defending there land, seems the horde is the attacker thereThe Horde has sensible reasons for taking Gilneas, though.
Indeed. Also, barthem's post was taken completely out of context.
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Skreeran
Pillaging yes, but they only ever killed humans who fought against them; they didn't go out of their way to destroy towns or villages and slaughter civilians.
gilneas didnt fought agains the horde, they were just defending there land, seems the horde is the attacker thereThe Horde has sensible reasons for taking Gilneas, though.
Indeed. Also, barthem's post was taken completely out of context.Do you mean I took his post out of context? If so, how so?
Post by
oneforthemoney
In Warcraft 3 wasn't there a part in the alliance campaign where you came across a bunch of orcs who had just sacked a town and were sacrificing people to the legion?
And sensible or not the horde was still the aggressor in Gilnaes.
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355559
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GVHB
Yeah, they were Blackrock orcs and weren't part of Thrall's Horde as far as I recall.
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Monday
Pillaging yes, but they only ever killed humans who fought against them; they didn't go out of their way to destroy towns or villages and slaughter civilians.
gilneas didnt fought agains the horde, they were just defending there land, seems the horde is the attacker thereThe Horde has sensible reasons for taking Gilneas, though.
Indeed. Also, barthem's post was taken completely out of context.Do you mean I took his post out of context? If so, how so?
No, barthem took his quote completely out of context. Yeah, they were Blackrock orcs and weren't part of Thrall's Horde as far as I recall.
This ^ They still haven't joined the New Horde.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Oh. Then what was the Warsong clan up to at the time since the original statement referred to them?
Post by
Skreeran
In Warcraft 3 wasn't there a part in the alliance campaign where you came across a bunch of orcs who had just sacked a town and were sacrificing people to the legion?
And sensible or not the horde was still the aggressor in Gilnaes.Those were Blackrock orcs. You know,
Blackrock orcs?
And yes, the were the aggressor, but, to quote Adams, "they didn't go out of their way to destroy towns or villages and slaughter civilians."
Except
Karga Rageroar
, but he was a total @#$%^&bag who I would guess might have gotten a
cliff drop
has the Alliance not killed him first.
Post by
Monday
Oh. Then what was the Warsong clan up to at the time since the original statement referred to them?
Surviving. Pillaging and plundering for food and supplies, and only killing when they were attacked. Like Adams said, they didn't slaughter people out of hand. If they did, Grom "took care" of them.
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oneforthemoney
Surviving. Pillaging and plundering for food and supplies, and only killing when they were attacked. Like Adams said, they didn't slaughter people out of hand. If they did, Grom "took care" of them.
Ah, I see. It's been awhile since W3. But when you think about it if the horde has pursued its imperialistic designs as they have been then logically they still have to destroy towns and villages like Southshore and displace the native populace.
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Adamsm
Surviving. Pillaging and plundering for food and supplies, and only killing when they were attacked. Like Adams said, they didn't slaughter people out of hand. If they did, Grom "took care" of them.
Ah, I see. It's been awhile since W3. But when you think about it if the horde has pursued its imperialistic designs as they have been then logically they still have to destroy towns and villages like Southshore and displace the native populace.
Forsaken though; not the Orcs, not the Tauren, not the Trolls and not the Blood Elves or Gobs. Sylvanas has some grand manifest destiny belief for all of Northern Lordaeron belonging to her and her people; not all follow that, but a lot do.
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306612
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Adamsm
Forsaken though; not the Orcs, not the Tauren, not the Trolls and not the Blood Elves or Gobs. Sylvanas has some grand manifest destiny belief for all of Northern Lordaeron belonging to her and her people; not all follow that, but a lot do.
In a way, it IS their land, being the folk who lived there before they died. It would sort of come down to whether the undead have a claim to what they owned in life, if Sylvanas weren't employing Lich King-level tactics.
Only portions though; Gilneas was it's own kingdom, as was Arathi, Alterac and even portions of Hillsbrad. If the lands of the Plaguelands belong to anyone it is the Crusade, as out of all of the old Lords, only Tirion still lives. Fine, let them claim Tirisfal and Silverpine, but anything more then that was pushing for war and the manifest destiny I spoke of; Sylvanas even says that all of Northern Lordaeron is suppose to belong to the Forsaken....and who cares about the people living there now....
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Skreeran
Forsaken though; not the Orcs, not the Tauren, not the Trolls and not the Blood Elves or Gobs. Sylvanas has some grand manifest destiny belief for all of Northern Lordaeron belonging to her and her people; not all follow that, but a lot do.
In a way, it IS their land, being the folk who lived there before they died. It would sort of come down to whether the undead have a claim to what they owned in life, if Sylvanas weren't employing Lich King-level tactics.
Only portions though; Gilneas was it's own kingdom, as was Arathi, Alterac and even portions of Hillsbrad. If the lands of the Plaguelands belong to anyone it is the Crusade, as out of all of the old Lords, only Tirion still lives. Fine, let them claim Tirisfal and Silverpine, but anything more then that was pushing for war and the manifest destiny I spoke of; Sylvanas even says that all of Northern Lordaeron is suppose to belong to the Forsaken....and who cares about the people living there now....I agree. They don't have a legitimate claim to the land, but they need a purpose.
Post by
Gone
What i think that the OP meant by the horde being a bit more evil these days compared with the alliance, that a lot of peopled seemed to miss, is that all the shadey @#$% most people mentioned, were acts of evil commited by individuals who happened to be alliance, but wasnt sanctioned by the higher ups (some exceptions of course) where as most of the horde evil, the invasion of Gilneaus and killing innocent humans to be raised as forsaken, were the direct orders of horde LEADERS like Garrosh and Sylvanas
To me both factions have some good and evil in them
The Alliance is like the white knight that will go out and slay a dragon to protect some village, or run into a burning building to save a bunch of babys and puppys, then gos home and beats his wife. They seem to represent best what people are in real life, essentialy good, with some rotten bastards thrown in, but even the best of us can be selfish, racist, hatefull, backstabbing, ect.
The horde, yes were mostly persecuted, and in most cases it seemed to be for good reason. I mean yes some are good, but as far as most undead, orcs, and trolls go, they are more Garrosh than Thrall personality wise. As far as im concerned garrosh needs to go, make Saurfang warcheif or bring Thrall back, and Sylvanas needs to have a stern talking to. I used to think that the forsaken were evil, taking lands from alliance and curropting it, but then latley i relised that most of the forsaken were humans who lived in lorderan, and they are really just defending their home now, they are the same people that have lived there since before the scourge came around.
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