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Murrdurr
theres a undead paladin in Lights hope chapel. I dont care how special that NPC is, its proof undeads can be paladins. GIVE ME UNDEAD PALADINS (and gnomes). Oh and theres undead paladin-like mobs in Icecrown also.
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Monday
theres a undead paladin in Lights hope chapel. I dont care how special that NPC is, its proof undeads can be paladins. GIVE ME UNDEAD PALADINS (and gnomes). Oh and theres undead paladin-like mobs in Icecrown also.
No there isn't. Leonid Bartholomew the Revered is a warrior.
No no, not 'discipline too'. Specializations are game mechanics.
Very well, Shadow Priests are of unwavering willpower as well. Doesn't mean they use the Light.
risen paladins in Icecrown
Use unholy light, not the Light.
Ser Zeliek may change your mind.
Sir Zeliek is a very, very special case and the only exceptions.
Exceptions do not a rule make.
Smite and Flash Heal are two spells of the Light. The same light that heals, hurts. The same light that heals Forsaken, may hurt them.
You're missing the point. Those are spells of the Light. Exorcism is
specifically made
to kill undead and demons, and the Holy Light spell injures them.
If not, then your priest character
Specializations are game mechanics.
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Adamsm
Can't let that pass:
Sir Zeliek is the only one of the Horsemen who retained his actual mind. His body is completely under the control of the Scourge which is one of the reasons why he screams at us to flee, and why he seems so relieved to finally die.....except he's always forced to come back. Just like all other Forsaken/Scourge that use the Holy Light it still burns him when he casts, but he doesn't feel it.....which can't be said for the Forsaken healers.
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Adamsm
Yes, Zeliek hates what he has become.....which only continues to prove he is an exception, not a rule.
Post by
Monday
Can you then do me a favor and get me a citation of how they are unable to use Smite and Holy Fire?
/facepalm. *whoosh*
When the Forsaken priest cast a healing spell, is he healed in the process?
If I cast Living Bomb, will I explode as well?
If I swing a sword, will I cut myself?
If I use Exorcism, something made to hit something other than myself too, will I exorcise myself?
The wound is cauterized yes.
No, because Living Bomb doesn't hurt oneself.
If you're not very good.
It's possible, as you are channeling anti undead magic through an undead.
I though paladin healers used Holy Light, still.
They do. Did you read the part about how the wound is cauterized? As in, burned until it doesn't bleed?
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Monday
I ask for a source and you facepalms?
You completely misunderstood my position. Hence the *whoosh*.
So a Paladin healing spell acts exactly the same way as a Priest healing spell but not the offensive ones?
What?
I'm channeling anything killing energy when casting any offensive spell, yet I'm not dead. Even though i'm clearly freezeable or flammable.
Is fire and ice magic specifically stated to cause pain to the caster? From what I heard, they cause ecstasy. Large difference.
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Adamsm
Yes, Zeliek hates what he has become.....which only continues to prove he is an exception, not a rule.
Since they said that next to 'Forsaken are hurt by the light', its quite easily infered that he
does
feel it.
/sigh Now you are just nitpicking to keep the thread going. The Four Horsemen, as seen in the Warcraft Ashbringer comic, do not feel pain; I mean, Zeliek stands up after being struck down and yanks a sword out of his body, while Thane just laughs as he pulls an axe out of his skull. Zeliek has no literal control over his body, it's completely at the mercy of the Scourge and KT; so yes, in that regard, I'm betting even as the Light burns at him, he doesn't feel it.
Now, a free willed Forsaken, using something that the developers have said 'hurts' them, would probably feel it burning away at them while they cast a holy light onto another Horde member. Seeing as in the Lore itself, they speak of the Shadow Priests being the main ones for repairing the bodies of injured forsaken, and not using holy spells on them, does say something. We don't know how it feels to them to use the Light; would it be like a constant ache all across their body? Or would they feel it burning away at their souls/essence/what have you? Or is it even attempting to cleanse their bodies of the Plague that was responsible for raising them up in the first place? We don't know, we just know what Blizzard has told us; that as they heal, it hurts them, but their Will lets them continue.
God F-ing Damn It, I said I wasn't going to post here...^&*!.
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Monday
So.... what is your position?
My position is that there is the rare undead that can use them, but they weren't specifically made to kill undead.
So far, you won't find a citation about how offensive light spells infuse their caster with a different light than that of healing or defensive light spells - therefore they are the same, therefore the Forsaken Priest feels comparable side-affects out of casting Power Word: Shield, Smite or Flash Heal.
Offensive spells
were not made to kill undead.
I assume one uses the Light in a different way to kill undead, as Exorcism is, you know, made to kill undead. Smite is not.
It doesn't say what spell they use.
Needle and thread buddy.
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Adamsm
We don't know how it feels to them to use the Light; would it be like a constant ache all across their body? Or would they feel it burning away at their souls/essence/what have you? Or is it even attempting to cleanse their bodies of the Plague that was responsible for raising them up in the first place?
We don't know, we just know what Blizzard has told us; that as they heal, it hurts them, but their Will lets them continue.
Very good, now has Blizzard ever said that the Light of Paladins and Priests or that offensive and defensive Light spells produce different side-effects on the Forsaken Priest as he casts it on someone other than himself?
Just sorta skimmed over it eh? And yes actually, seeing as when Warcraft started, Paladins could treat the Forsaken as an undead mob.....and that translates over into Lore and some of the extra damage the Forsaken took in the RPG.
Oh wait, what am I doing, making references to the RPG, you don't believe any of that is relevant anymore, I always forget that.
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Hyperspacerebel
It's quite obvious, if you pay the least bit of attention, that the paladin was undead.
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Post by
Monday
Why do you insist that a single paladin spell must be capable of exploding the undead forsaken paladin that casts it?
Is there any example backing this notion that the side-effects imposed on a Forsaken Priest are different between different spells?
Or is it just something that you believe in because it 'makes sense'?
It makes sense to me. Do you have a citation that it doesn't?
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Adamsm
Just sorta skimmed over it eh? And yes actually, seeing as when Warcraft started, Paladins could treat the Forsaken as an undead mob.....and that translates over into Lore and some of the extra damage the Forsaken took in the RPG.
Because the Forsaken was in the receiving end of the spell?You still skimmed over the part that was bolded.
Oh wait, what am I doing, making references to the RPG, you don't believe any of that is relevant anymore, I always forget that.
I'm using the RPGs as references all the time?You also bash anyone who uses it, saying that it's out of date, but I guess when you are making the references, suddenly, it's still in use eh?
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Post by
Monday
If the Light of the Paladins cause more pain than that of the Priests, then their Light is superior?
lolwut? You missed my point
again
. Either I'm incredibly unclear or you're attempting to straw me.
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