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Rift - worth buying?
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Post by
Murrdurr
People are hardly raiding and if you're not in a full hardcore Raid Team/Guild, well, you're relegated to dungeon queues.
False. My guild is a very casual guild that raids weekly.
How is it false? It's my observation on my server. While Hardcore Guilds on my server are still going ok, the medium to casual guilds are suffering
(I can name at least half a dozen with 150+ members who cannot get 10 people on at once let alone raid).
Does that make it false? Hardly. Does it make you fortunate? Yes.
this is a lack of knowing how to organize and setup a guild raid grp more than anything. The guild most of my toons are in started out as a casual, they now have 550 members with 3 active 10m raid grps
Post by
pgh1980
In my opinion, I think Rifts will be worth buying. At worst, it's like spending money on a game that you end up not liking (I'm looking at you Black Ops!). I'm holding off on getting it until the semester is over, but that's only because I know I'd let my priorities slip in order to get to end game content ASAP.
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327953
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Post by
seebs
In case people are curious about the launch:
Pretty severe queue times, especially on the original servers. They announced about 30 servers originally. They've added 23 or so since then. Problem is, the original servers are the ones guilds planned to roll on, so they're still way more populated. Queue times can exceed 4 hours (though they're low right now, of course).
They had one brief patch yesterday, took everything down for about half an hour.
Apart from that... If you can log in, the servers run. I played for a couple of hours. The only problem I encountered was that there's a new UI feature where class mechanics get a special UI. (Several of the souls have special mechanics that are a bit like combo points or whatever.) This UI has a minor bug.
Seriously, that's it. Looting? Fine. Combat? Fine. Engine? Fine, even with 50+ people on mounts in the first town. Massive invasions taking over the starting zone because there's a ton of people, none of them over level 10? Hilarious, and fine.
Just in terms of actual running of game and gameplay, this is the smoothest MMO launch I've ever seen. Heck, this is smoother than my usual experience of minor patches in WoW. The queue times are sorta annoying, but that'll go away.
ETA: Also, my favorite twitter comment from a developer so far:
@hartsman
Speedhack detection claims its first victim. Ooo, bummer for him.
Post by
Miyari
I'm
really
digging the game. If you don't like the queues, simply roll on another server. Solves pretty much the only problem I ran into. I got my first epic sourcestone today and I feel LIKE A BOSS.
Plus,
I look awsm
.
Post by
MyTie
Plus,
I look awsm
.
I don't know if you noticed this but your hair is trying to be a pink mohawk, and failing, and you have WAY to much eyeliner on, and the colors all clash with your skin. You look like what a white t shirt would look like if you put it through the hot wash with a bag of skittles, beet juice, and a porcupine.
Post by
seebs
Okay, this is insane.
Earlier today, I was in queue. I was browsing on another machine, and I hit return on the wrong keyboard. That pressed the "cancel" button, and restarted my queue. I filed a bug report when I finally got in. It's been fixed. Already. They've changed it so you have to actually click "cancel" to make it boot you.
Also, they added queue length to the server status page after people asked about it.
This company is really, really, impressing me. Also... Servers still
flawless
. Sure, there's queues, but there are a ton of people logged in, and the servers are smooth as silk, even with massive world events, invasions, full raids forming...
... Okay, and now they posted some fairly specific information about updates they're making and when the patches will go live. I believe them. They said 8 AM PST, and I will be pretty much shocked if it isn't between 7:58 and 8:02 AM PST. This is unlike any MMO experience I've ever had or heard of.
Post by
MyTie
Okay, this is insane.
Earlier today, I was in queue. I was browsing on another machine, and I hit return on the wrong keyboard. That pressed the "cancel" button, and restarted my queue. I filed a bug report when I finally got in. It's been fixed. Already. They've changed it so you have to actually click "cancel" to make it boot you.
Also, they added queue length to the server status page after people asked about it.
This company is really, really, impressing me. Also... Servers still
flawless
. Sure, there's queues, but there are a ton of people logged in, and the servers are smooth as silk, even with massive world events, invasions, full raids forming...
... Okay, and now they posted some fairly specific information about updates they're making and when the patches will go live. I believe them. They said 8 AM PST, and I will be pretty much shocked if it isn't between 7:58 and 8:02 AM PST. This is unlike any MMO experience I've ever had or heard of.
I have been SCREAMING at people that Blizzard's customer service is garbage, for YEARS. However, a large chunk of the consumers feel some sort of loony loyalty to the company, and think that if I have a problem with Blizzard, it must be my fault, no matter how awful the customer service is.
As soon as these people get out and get a taste of a company that takes its customers seriously, then Blizzard's grasp on the mindless will break, and its sales will plummet. That day, when people start demanding quality customer care, and investment worthy gaming, MMORPGs will evolve to the next level. It happened to Sony with Everquest, which is what gave WoW a chance. They have grown fat and lazy. Blizzard will fall to a newer company with a better game. The fall will be swift, and painful. I salivate for the day it happens.
Post by
seebs
Blizzard's CS was better in the past, and furthermore, was immensely good compared to, say, SOE.
They've gone downhill, though, and Trion has really raised the bar.
The PvP autoflag thing is a pretty good example. Blizzard just never cared; Trion noticed that players cared and fixed it immediately. Heck, Blizzard made undocumented changes to the flagging system and has never actually been willing to explain exactly what they are.
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551048
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Post by
Aislinge
Rift is okay. It's a bit boring, but meh. The talent system could be made better, way too confusing for new MMO players. PvP seems very unbalanced, so I'm not buying the game until I know more.
I would not say Rift is an introductory MMO - considering it's 18+ bracket and stylising. PvP is different in Rift to say WoW, different rules, rewards and calculations. I've not given it a huge bash myself, but people have recommended to me to read up on it beforehand.
For Battlegrounds (as with Raids), you can expect it to take some time for people to find their feet.
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327953
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Post by
xlanadenx
It's not really a good vs. evil setting though.
It's more of a technology vs. religious zealots kind of thing but you shouldn't read too deeply into that.
There's no real "good guys" and "bad guys" situation. Both are at fault.
If you want to choose based on what they do, the Defiant rip souls out of Guardians' bodies to create Ascended but on the same token the Guardians weren't raised to Ascended for being good, they were raised because of their battle prowess.
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327953
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Post by
Monday
On the customer service thing: YMMV on all of it.
Blizzard has always helped me with any problems that I've had. It took a few hours, but that's because there are 12m players. By virtue of their being several thousand players on my server it would be hard to get to my ticket very quickly. However, as soon as my ticket could be answered, everything was fixed that I needed to be.
With Trion, I made a report saying how you shouldn't be able to right-click select dead bodies. There would be problems where I'd right click to attack my next target and I'd target a dead body. Same with my spells. I started out as a Cabalist, and their first spell is an AoE. Thus, I would pull targets that I didn't mean to, and there was absolutely no way for my to avoid it.
I asked for them to change the spell to only hurting those already attacking you, and nothing. They did squat.
E: Also, consider that Rift is a brand new game. They
have
to be on the ball with changes, or else it will flop. WoW doesn't have to be. While that isn't a great practice of Blizzard's, I won't be surprised if Trion goes the same way when the game gets older.
Post by
629241
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Post by
seebs
Story does improve some, also, it's better if you actually read everything. Both sides are slightly unreliable narrators.
As to customer service... Blizzard was great at some kinds of it. On the other hand, no amount of posting or petitioning or anything could induce them to disclose what changes they made to the flagging rules, as an example. They clearly changed, but no one knows how.
Blizzard lost me pretty much forever when their official response to every single MVP announcing intent to leave the forums was "we know some people will leave and we think the forums and game will be better." They've never done anything to convince me that they actually comprehended the issue, all I've seen is that if enough thousands of people cancel, they can eventually be pushed into backing down on something while clearly stating that it is only temporary. Yeah, screw that.
Forum moderation is another area where Trion really wins. I once got a forum suspension from Blizzard, I wrote them to ask what it was for, and they simply
didn't respond
, so to this day I have no clue. Trion's mods are very good about indicating why threads are closed, moving them rather than deleting them when possible, and otherwise doing things that make it easier for people to follow the rules. This is not just a matter of relative scale; this is a matter of understanding how moderation works. You need fewer moderators if you do that, because more people follow the rules to begin with. Blizzard could never figure that out.
So... Yeah, some aspects of what Blizzard does, they do well, but if you go a tiny bit outside the predefined list of things they do well, they just ignore it. Trion's been a lot better about that.
I haven't encountered that specific Cabalist spell issue, but it could be that other people were using it that way on purpose. That sounds like the kind of thing that might be intentional...
Post by
Monday
That sounds like the kind of thing that might be intentional...
That it will go through walls and drag twelve people at level 2? That's not exactly my idea of fun. There was no way for me to level past that for about the whole day, because whenever I cast a single spell it dragged at least 6, if not more, mobs. I finally had to delete my character and start as an Inquisitor instead.
Post by
seebs
That sounds like the kind of thing that might be intentional...
That it will go through walls and drag twelve people at level 2? That's not exactly my idea of fun. There was no way for me to level past that for about the whole day, because whenever I cast a single spell it dragged at least 6, if not more, mobs. I finally had to delete my character and start as an Inquisitor instead.
I am not understanding this, I guess. I haven't tried a Cabalist, though, and I haven't heard of anyone having problems with them -- and I've seen some at high levels.
So I am assuming there must be SOME way to make it work.
Post by
Monday
That sounds like the kind of thing that might be intentional...
That it will go through walls and drag twelve people at level 2? That's not exactly my idea of fun. There was no way for me to level past that for about the whole day, because whenever I cast a single spell it dragged at least 6, if not more, mobs. I finally had to delete my character and start as an Inquisitor instead.
I am not understanding this, I guess. I haven't tried a Cabalist, though, and I haven't heard of anyone having problems with them -- and I've seen some at high levels.
So I am assuming there must be SOME way to make it work.
Yes. Don't get it as your starting soul.
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