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gnomerdon
I hear people with flat feet can't enlist?
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166779
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Post by
Patty
I pay more than 9000 quid for
half
a year at my quite-good-but-not-fantastic U.S. college.
However, the US are far more right-wing in policy than the UK have been and are in many cases, healthcare being a prime example. The UK state seems more ideologically driven to caring for the people in a more left-wing perspective than the US government.
The thing you ignore here is that you only pay that after you've graduated,a nd it's deducted straight from your wage packet, so your parents have nothing to do with it.Well, I was fairly unsure about that, hence why I left it out.
What parental support *does* impact is the cost of accomodation and living while at university. There's still a grant and loan structure available for that, so in terms of what your parents can afford, nothing has changed since 1997.
The increase in fees still sucks, and none of us like it (I'm an acdademic member of staff at the University of London), but there has been 0 change to how parental income effects university entrance.
Yes it has, costs of living, still rising inflation et cetera. I admit, I was unsure about the way university fees are charged for (and it may be different in the Channel Islands, I'm not sure), but it
is
getting more expensive in pretty much every capacity to live in the UK. Furthermore, if everyone hated it, the majority of universities wouldn't have increased their tuition fees to £9,000. Don't get me wrong, I expected it from places such as Oxbridge, but there are other, far less prestigious and distinguishing universities that are also charging those fees. Which defeats the purpose of 'exceptional circumstances', and of course the government have done very little to mitigate that impact.
Post by
pezz
I pay more than 9000 quid for
half
a year at my quite-good-but-not-fantastic U.S. college.
However, the US are far more right-wing in policy than the UK have been and are in many cases, healthcare being a prime example. The UK state seems more ideologically driven to caring for the people in a more left-wing perspective than the US government.
My point was that college graduation rates and prices in the US have both been going up for years. I imagine both might have to fall a bit again, since the debt seems to be a bit silly now, but you can hardly claim that you'll have to be upper-middle class in the UK to afford just the 9000 pounds tuition when so many non upper-middle class people in the US manage bigger bills all the time.
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255496
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Post by
Monday
Is a degree really that impressive when the majority of people go to college and more than one fourth of everyone has a degree?
Yes, in fact, it does. A degree means that you went through the vigorous trials (generally) of a college or university, and that you showed proficiency in your subject.
If you don't have a degree, it shows that you aren't motivated enough to get one, you didn't go through the same courses everyone else did that teach you the important things, and, most of all, you didn't demonstrate your competency. How does an employer know whether you know your stuff if you haven't passed the tests for it?
Post by
wildx22
If a person is truly motivated to learn they will learn regardless of whether they spend thousands of dollars on it. You can make friends doing anything to assume that you will because you go to college in itself is a blanket statement. Sure having a degree looks good but at what cost? And how long will it look good if everyone has a degree? Is a degree really that impressive when the majority of people go to college and more than one fourth of everyone has a degree?
It also depends on what you want to do. Some industries value experience and a nice portfolio more than new graduates with a shiny Bachelors (or at least consider them as equals). But no one's going to let you cut them open if you only claim that you've self-taught surgery.
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255496
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Post by
wildx22
Um. What is the difference between public vs private universities?
Post by
Interest
Um. What is the difference between public vs private universities?
In general, you shell out more money to go private.
Post by
wildx22
And... what do you get for shelling out more money? Ivy League... are those private or public?
Post by
Interest
And... what do you get for shelling out more money? Ivy League... are those private or public?
I'm pretty sure Ivy League are private.
It's something to do with a better education....usually...
Post by
Tartonga
I'm pretty sure Ivy League are private.
It's something to do with a better education....usually...
Here in Argentina, one of the few most prestigious universities is a public and almost gratuitous one. It's the University of Buenos Aires. It has a massive amount of students incoming every year, but it's so hard that only 200 out of 3000 students pass to 2nd year every year in Medicine for example. People who manage to graduate from this university, are considered superior in the sense that they made a huge effort compared to other universities, mostly private, which are more flexible.
However, I don't think this is the case in other countries, specially in U.S. where it's very often heard that students get the best labor opportunities based not on their knowledge but on from which university they came from. Maybe it's true that an average graduated from Harvard is a prodigy in law compared to someone who got excellent califications at the Boston College Law School. I just don't know if this is actually the majority of the cases...
Post by
wildx22
^ That cut off rate is like ours for the law & med faculties as well. I'm not familiar with the concept of private universities because here in NZ, the main universities are all public, and the private ones are like institutions and small colleges I
think
? And in Taiwan, the private universities are those that people go to when they can't get into the public ones. ._.
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166779
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Post by
Patty
The government knew this would happen - 5 minutes discussion with any vice chancellor would have lead to this conclusion. The tories have always wanted to privatise university education (it was them who first pushed for the introduction of fees under John Majors government in the late 90's). This was a way of them doing it and trying to make the univerisities look like the bad guys.
I know that the Tories were likely to have wanted to do so, but it's been done so messily and too sharply in my view.
Furthermore, the point about inflation would be true if wages were rising, but from what I'm seeing, they're not. Over here, we're charged VAT prices (even though the companies do not have to pay VAT in the Channel Islands, so that's 20% more profit), and GST (Goods and Services Tax) has risen to 5%, from 3%, and that's on
everything
. I'm not a business expert, but a 2% increase in GST, 2.5% increase in VAT, then, what is it now, 4% for inflation (?) compared to low interest rates and stagnated wages just doesn't balance out. The theory's not working as far as I can tell.
Post by
deathbyte
1. Inflation exists to combat wage increases. The intention is that it costs about as much to live in 2011 as it did in 1990 - in 1990 prices were lower, but so were wages.
In 1990 minimum wage in the US was $3.80 today it is $7.25. In 1990 a gallon of gas averaged $1.16, today it averages around $3.50.
Too much inflation?
Post by
Tartonga
^ That cut off rate is like ours for the law & med faculties as well. I'm not familiar with the concept of private universities because here in NZ, the main universities are all public, and the private ones are like institutions and small colleges I
think
? And in Taiwan, the private universities are those that people go to when they can't get into the public ones. ._.
Wait, NZ stands for New Zealand, right? In that case, do you live in the northest island or the southest one xD? Does what you said apply also for the other island (the one where you don't live at)? Have you ever been at the other island? Do hobbits attend to your college?
Post by
wildx22
^ HAHAHA.
I live in North Island, and yes what I said applies all over. :) I've been pretty much all around NZ so yep been down to the South quite a few times! Lol... Funny you mentioned hobbits at our uni*, a classmate once wrote this about my economics lecturer on the lecturer feedback form:
Which parts about the teacher’s lecturing are good?
He reminds me of a very intellectual and well-informed Hobbit. I happen to like Hobbits. They are playful creatures. Mr G. J. is a playful Hobbit, but he seems like he may be a bit away from the Shire. I think we should put him in a cage and send him back to the Shire after this Economics 111 semester. But other than being a Hobbit, he’s super awesome!
What suggestions do you have for improvement?
Bring Gandalf to class.
* college means high school here
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