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Question about talent Master of Elements.
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It only has to buy you a couple of ABs to completely slaughter Fire power in terms of overall damage.
It only has to BUY you a couple AB's... that is to say if you mess up or get way out of position it will help the dps loss. Simply don't screw up.
It buys you AB casts because you are where you need to be sooner than without it...
2% of his damage is from Flame Orb. Little over 2 mil. Getting 2% more on that is
44k damage
. Add in hypothetical detonation from talent, and its 60-70k damage. Total. Added.
I dont know whether you ever played fire but you are mistaken. Flame orb damage doesnt have anything to do with Fire power. Even as fire is quite neglectable - the talent itself is only good due to percentage modification to whole fire dps, explosion is load of crap (bonus). Fire power is listed as fire power, not as flame orb. Your best mage in the server doesnt seem to have the crap talent you are so eagerly advocating.
4 lowest damage on Alysrazor parse (i am in fire):
Mirror image frostbolt 0.3%
Volcanic destruction 0.2%
Fire power 0.1%
Mirror image fireblast 0.1%
And its always like that. Hell even crap 2p t12 gives me more dps.
PS: Your best mage on the server uses Blizzard. His spec is &*!@ (Nether Vortex lol), so are his glyphs (Slow, Mirror Image, lmao) plus he lacks running speed on boots and is under hit cap. High progress doesnt make you a good theorycrafter - when will people understand that?
Said "one of the best guilds", not "best mage"
The Log was from Arcane spec, not Fire, really not sure where you got that from. Half the discussion here is taking Fire Power as Arcane to boost Flame Orb's dps.
The point of my anecdotal evidence was the effect of Fire Power's 2 point investment over an entire night's log from a 25 man Heroic run, as that's where you'll see the players that aim for the most damage and likely to have the best gear and likely to have every buff in the book so as to provide every ounce of effect to spells to be analyzed.
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Holy Shammy
What is this spec you speak of? XP
The Log was from Arcane spec, not Fire, really not sure where you got that from. Half the discussion here is taking Fire Power as Arcane to boost Flame Orb's dps.
How many times i need to write this?
Fire power explosion damage is doesnt corelate with flame orb damage the slightest. Fire power damage is listed as
Fire Power
and is not any certain part of flame orb damage and usually ends up below DMC: Volcano. Its not 1%, its 0.1%. 2% of flame orb (and fireblast) damage and 0.1% from explosion is hardly worth 2 talent points.
You're saying a lot of things that are getting horribly tangled.
Fire Power would boost fire spell damage by 2%, seeing as it's Flame Orb (
hint, its a fire spell
, it would get 2% more damage.
Fire Power adds a detonation to Flame Orb, which
does
correlate to
Flame Orb
because it's the
source spell
Are you trying to say Recount/Skada track it as a separate damage statistic? Because that's different.
You went off into being Fire spec for some reason, when we've been on the discussion of dipping 7 points into Fire for Fire Power to boost Flame Orb's damage dealt as Arcane since Flame Orb is a favorite tool to spam Arcane Missile Procs as part of Conserve Phase.
I honestly have no clue where you're train of thought took you.
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Pretty hard to carefully read and comprehend the posts of someone who writes like this...
Fire power explosion damage is doesnt corelate...
Can you point out to us a single sentence within the structure of the English language where the connection of these words makes a scent of sense, Zakkhar?
Until then, cram your trap and quit telling people to improve their reading comprehension while you continue to string nonsensical sentences together.
You found one sentence like that. Care to point out another sentence that is like that? Because it seems that everything Zakk has typed is a bunch of nonsensical crap according to you.
To me I understood it all.
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2% of his damage is from Flame Orb. Little over 2 mil. Getting 2% more on that is 44k damage. Add in hypothetical detonation from talent, and its 60-70k damage. Total. Added.
Detonation does
way
less damage, is what i am trying to say. I play fire, i got logs detonation is %^&*.
That's what I said...
44K damage dealt from boosted tics of flame orb, extra.
This total extra damage becomes ~70k when accounting for the detonation.
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The point I'm making is that Zakkhar is consistently critical of people putting forward arguments, citing poor comprehension of his own (as a counter-point). His posts are often rude, arrogant and rife with poor spelling and grammatical skills. For him to call on others to absorb his crux when he cannot practice as he preaches is laughable and this thread is a perfect example of where the constant childish bickering is leading no-one to an agreeable conclusion.
Yet here you are to point out his obvious typo in one sentence throughout this entire topic. As for the spelling and grammatical errors, this is not grade school and you are not his teacher to judge his spelling and grammar.
The only thing you done was criticize him about his spelling and grammar and not posted something that is remotely on topic like he has since the topic was started. If your only intent was to chastise someone about how they treat others, then you should have a look in the mirror.
If you can't handle rude and arrogant people over the internet, then you can't make it in the real world. Unless you hide away from everyone then you will encounter at least one rude or arrogant person, more if you work in retail.
The reason no one agrees is that there isn't a real clear cut decision. Some don't think the slight run increase after blink is useful while others think that a 2% increase to one spells is much better then having a better Arcane Explosion. Nether Vortex isn't the best unless you're attacking something on your own and no one else can apply a slow, which you can easily do with only 1 GCD.
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