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Post by
Atik
Pshaw. Mages need a buff. Particularly Frost. Needs to be raid viable.
What's a Pee-vee-Pee?
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Frost can pull 20k on trash while sleeping.
Granted, not as great on bosses. But certainly viable.
Post by
lockbox
Arcane mages don't need a nerf, but they do need a few more buttons to press.
I don't buy the "mana management take skill" argument at all. Get the addon called
MageManaBar
and it does it all for you. I play my Ruthless/Vicious PvP-geared mage in heroic dungeons once in a blue moon and I'm almost always highest on damage done/lowest on damage taken.
You
could
say that the other people in the dungeon just suck, but I don't think I should be topping charts in PvP gear on a character and spec that I rarely play.
tl;dr; I'd be happy with arcane mages doing their current damage if they had to press a few more buttons to achieve it.
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Post by
Atik
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Frost can pull 20k on trash while sleeping.
Granted, not as great on bosses. But certainly viable.
Lemme rephrase that: Frost needs to be good. In a position where merely mentioning raiding as frost doesn't just result in laughter.
And I'm not really feeling any of the Cata class changes, including mages, and would like to see them try it again in the next expac.
I would never turn down a frost mage for a raid. I don't know what is wrong with your server if they do.
Granted, I would drop some FB or IL damage if the pet wasn't so useless...
Post by
MrSCH
some servers want max DPS! Why take a Frost Mage when they could take an Arcane one, who will do more DPS on the boss where it counts?
Post by
Atik
Because frost kills trash faster, allowing raids like Firelands and BoT to go by easier with more time on bosses and less on trash?
Post by
MrSCH
I don't want a RL who values trash > bosses.
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Post by
Orranis
Frost Mage's are perfectly viable on bosses. The majority of people are just doing it wrong. In fact, it far outperforms Fire on single target fights, while being behind, but not nearly as far as Fire, Arcane. They also have one of the most complicated priority systems in the game, if not the most.
Post by
Nathanyal
Frost mages need a massive nerf to their crowd control and damage absorbtion in pvp. When I'm meleeing, it's a living hell trying to take down a frost mage because they just keep slowing me every time I hit, ccing me with aoe freeze, every 30 seconds deep freezing me which I have to trinket out of, absorbing most of my damage, all the while doing massive damage at the same time. And their pets are just not needed at all, why do frost mages need a pet at all?
Nerf them, nerf them into oblivion. No class should be able to absorb tons of damage while doing tons of damage at the same time. Nor be able to CC constantly.
Yes, 1v1 frost mages can beat most melee classes straight on. But like it was said PvP isn't balanced around 1v1. Group up with a priest who can dispel his buffs as well as your debuffs along with putting a shield on you that takes damage.
As for our shield, it doesn't absorb all that much damage and it requires use to use a GCD to activate it and it usually gone soon there after. Yes we have an armor that slows you down, but that is what most range classes do to melee. They keep melee at a distant and kite them around until they either die, or get help.
I'm gonna take a guess and say that you're a warrior. My friend has an 85 warrior that he never plays because he says they are horrible in pvp, always getting kited and killed easily, and is tired of tanking because it is so simple. If Its not a warrior then I was mistaken.
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Post by
Atik
Frost mages pull upwards of 20k on AoE. And I don't even play with GOOD mages.
And I, as an RL for BoT or Firelands, would prioratize getting through the loot-less trash and hurrying to the bosses.
Less time spent on trash = more time getting loot.
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161859
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Post by
skumbananer
Frost is vastly OP in PVP. frost mages need a serious pvp nerf AND a moderate pve buff.
The other speccs are just lame in both pve and pvp. Sure, sheep is a handy cc, and arcane can do some serious single target damage in a short 5mhc bossfight, and everyone likes the cookies they bring, but yeah, neither is from what ive seen anything special in pve, either in terms of utility or dps. Perhaps nicely balanced for pve but both speccs need a pvp buff.
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91278
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Post by
Atik
Frost mages pull upwards of 20k on AoE. And I don't even play with GOOD mages.
And I, as an RL for BoT or Firelands, would prioratize getting through the loot-less trash and hurrying to the bosses.
Less time spent on trash = more time getting loot.
Less DPS on single-target bosses = Harder fights = Harder to get loot.
But faster trash = less time between bosses = easier to get loot.
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Post by
Azazel
You want to go through trash rather than bosses?
Really?
Really?
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