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Post by
Atik
I want to get through the trash faster so I can hurry up and get to the bosses faster. So, overall, the entire raid goes by faster and the epics come faster.
Post by
Azazel
I want to get through the trash faster so I can hurry up and get to the bosses faster. So, overall, the entire raid goes by faster and the epics come faster.
You forgot that you need to actually kill the boss to get the epics.
And you can't do that with people that are awesome on trash and horrible on bosses.
Post by
Atik
I want to get through the trash faster so I can hurry up and get to the bosses faster. So, overall, the entire raid goes by faster and the epics come faster.
You forgot that you need to actually kill the boss to get the epics.
And you can't do that with people that are awesome on trash and horrible on bosses.
Except in cases like BoT, the bosses are piss easy compared to the trash.
Post by
Azazel
I want to get through the trash faster so I can hurry up and get to the bosses faster. So, overall, the entire raid goes by faster and the epics come faster.
You forgot that you need to actually kill the boss to get the epics.
And you can't do that with people that are awesome on trash and horrible on bosses.
Except in cases like BoT, the bosses are piss easy compared to the trash.
BoT is not exactly, nor has it ever been, anywhere near endgame content.
Plus, how many trash pulls are in there? 4? 5? Even if do both bosses.
Post by
Atik
What?
Bastion of Twilight? Not end game last patch?
Post by
Azazel
What?
Bastion of Twilight? Not end game last patch?
I read it as Baradin Hold for whatever reason, but the point still stands that boss kills > trash kills.
Post by
Atik
And my point still stands that the faster you kill the trash, the faster you get to and kill the bosses,
Post by
Azazel
And my point still stands that the faster you kill the trash, the faster you get to and kill the bosses,
I would much rather have a raid take twice the time on trash and then actually killing the boss so I would get something out of it.
Post by
Atik
If someone burns through the BoT trash, I'm 115% sure they can down the bosses.
Post by
Gates
Well, I've always been for the standard rpg archetype, and in the standard rpg archetype, mages are supposed to be the greatest damage asset to a group. So as far as PvE goes, I see no problem with mages being on top.
As far as PvP goes...nothing aside from removing a class from the game will ever stop people from complaining about it being "OP," so I won't even care to go into discussion about that.
Post by
91278
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Post by
badbee
In terms of raiding surely big numbers on trash is for epeen stroking, everybody judges damage on bosses right?
As for the original topic, I don't honestly think Mages are OP in either category, they stand up well in both, and played well can be among the best in both, that doesn't equate to OP in my mind.
Post by
MrSCH
And my point still stands that the faster you kill the trash, the faster you get to the bosses
Yes.
the faster you kill the bosses,
NO NO NO NO.
I don't care if you can kill trash with your eyes close,
this does not mean that you can do bosses.
Bosses have complex mechanics, soft and hard enrages, people make mistakes over prolonged periods of time.
Are you so naive that you
really think
that killing trashes and killing raid bosses are on the same level of play?
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Post by
Atik
And my point still stands that the faster you kill the trash, the faster you get to the bosses
Yes.
the faster you kill the bosses,
NO NO NO NO.
I don't care if you can kill trash with your eyes close,
this does not mean that you can do bosses.
Bosses have complex mechanics, soft and hard enrages, people make mistakes over prolonged periods of time.
Are you so naive that you
really think
that killing trashes and killing raid bosses are on the same level of play?
Trash packs can have equally complicated, or even MORE complicated mechanics than bosses. Requiering you to bring craploads of CC or be fighting the same pack with a dark mender forever.
And really, how often do mages have to pay attention to boss mechanics? Don't stand in the fire, certain positioning and the occasional movement, possibly grabbing chains on Magmaw, switch target pn Omnotron?
Compare that to a DK or hunter kiting the adds Magmaw and mages have it easy as hell on bosses.
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Post by
OverZealous
And really, how often do mages have to pay attention to boss mechanics? Don't stand in the fire, certain positioning and the occasional movement, possibly grabbing chains on Magmaw, switch target pn Omnotron?
Compare that to a DK or hunter kiting the adds Magmaw and mages have it easy as hell on bosses.
...what. You might be seeing something I am not, but I have never noticed anything like that. Please explain.
Post by
Atik
And really, how often do mages have to pay attention to boss mechanics? Don't stand in the fire, certain positioning and the occasional movement, possibly grabbing chains on Magmaw, switch target pn Omnotron?
Compare that to a DK or hunter kiting the adds Magmaw and mages have it easy as hell on bosses.
...what. You might be seeing something I am not, but I have never noticed anything like that. Please explain.
Name some mechanics mages need to be aware of. Compare that to how many more, say, hunters need to be aware of. Or hell; ANY melee class.
Post by
451227
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Post by
Atik
Name some mechanics mages need to be aware of. Compare that to how many more, say, hunters need to be aware of. Or hell; ANY melee class.Off the top of my head: Nefarion's adds.
Oh, they don't
have
to be more aware, not unless they're tasked with kiting those adds.
I've never heard of people using a mage.
Frost DKs or a third tank are the way any guild on my server goes.
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