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[RaP] Congressional White Caucus: Racist?
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168916
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Post by
MyTie
For me it is like arguing with a person who thinks abortion is ok. No argument that could be presented to me will make me less likely to want to rip my hair out.
The first requirement for having a useful, sensible discussion about a controversial issue with someone you disagree with is that you must respond to the arguments they make, not the arguments you think it's almost as if they're making.
After all,
nobody
thinks "abortion is ok". But when someone comes along and says they think abortion ought to be legal despite how horrible it is, and you tell yourself "they're pretty much saying abortion is ok, so I'll respond with why I disagree with that", you're setting yourself up for hair-pulling.
So call me a debate purist, but when you say, "the logic reads to me like.." and then list a bunch of arguments nobody here has made, and probably nobody here supports, you're not taking the discussion toward useful places.
Ah, but I realize my weakness. For me to say "this is where I think I am wrong", and you to come along as say "let me explain how you said you were wrong, is how you are wrong", doesn't do anything but discourage me from future introspective. Furthermore, I have addressed the arguments made, not how the arguments sound to me.
I've learned, by this, never to admit that I have a biased opinion, or the other side of the discussion will insist that I see nothing but my biased opinion.
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91278
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Post by
Jubilee
I used words like "right" and "legitimate"and then I didn't use the words right or wrong once.It seems like you are using semantics more than logic to build your argument. Either racism is right or wrong. Make up your mind and explain such. The congressional black caucus is racist. No doubt about it. But, it is accepted racism. That is "the beef" I have here. Am I wrong in seeing a problem here? I don't have a problem with their racism. I have a problem with the racism being accepted, but other racism being denied.
Please don't take my statements out of context and then blame me for arguing semantics. "Right" is two different words there.
My point is that not everyone thinks that morality is black and white like you. It's not fair to force those standards on others.
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168916
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Post by
Atik
After all, nobody thinks "abortion is ok".
*raises hand*
Pro-abortion... just saying...
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168916
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Post by
MyTie
After all, nobody thinks "abortion is ok".
*raises hand*
Pro-abortion... just saying...
I mean that pro-choice people don't take that position because they think having an abortion is a relaxing way to spend an afternoon.
Some do. Let's not get too offtopic here.
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168916
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Post by
Patty
There's no 'It depends' option, so I can't really vote. But really, it depends on if the party is specifically for a certain group with a certain agenda (as, indeed, all political groups are to some extent) and what the agenda is. If this Congressional White Caucus (which I can't say I actually know what you're talking about in any depth) wishes to bring back segregation and injustice among racial lines, then yes, they are racist. However, I think that in many cases, a white/black/asian/pickles-only organisation which will actively reject people based on their ethnicity will be racist.
Post by
Magician22773
I have always argued that the double standard, "reverse racism", issues in the US are much more of a problem than a solution. In addition to your "White Caucus", where is :
White Entertainment Television
National Association for the Advancement of White People.
United Caucasian College Fund.
White Panther Party.
White History Month.
This list could go on and on. The fact is, is that probably 90% of the "racism" that exists in America today is "reverse racisim", and the majority of it is goverment funded and is just as blatent as the discrimination against blacks was before the Civil Rights Movement.
Being "Proud to be White" makes you a Klan Member.
Being "Proud to be Black" makes you a Community Leader.
Post by
Gnoktish
I can just say this: Racist.
If you only allow one specific skin color inside and reject all others, it's pretty much racism in the works.
Post by
gnomerdon
I have always argued that the double standard, "reverse racism", issues in the US are much more of a problem than a solution. In addition to your "White Caucus", where is :
White Entertainment Television
National Association for the Advancement of White People.
United Caucasian College Fund.
White Panther Party.
White History Month.
This list could go on and on. The fact is, is that probably 90% of the "racism" that exists in America today is "reverse racisim", and the majority of it is goverment funded and is just as blatent as the discrimination against blacks was before the Civil Rights Movement.
Being "Proud to be White" makes you a Klan Member.
Being "Proud to be Black" makes you a Community Leader.
qft.
Post by
Orranis
I just wanted to point out that "Racism" does not necessarily mean racial discrimination in all things, but racial discrimination specifically because you believe there are differences in races of the human species intrinsic to the race. Not that I agree with the idea that a Congressional White Caucus is necessarily any better or worse than a Black one, unless the specific reason for having it being singularly one race or the other is that you're discriminating not just because of their race, but because you think the races are intrinsically different because they are the race they are (for example, not culturally different and aside from simply skin-color or facial features), it's not technically 'racist.'
I have always argued that the double standard, "reverse racism", issues in the US are much more of a problem than a solution. In addition to your "White Caucus", where is :
White Entertainment Television
To be fair, this is a rather stupid one on both counts. White people can watch Black Entertainment Television, and assuming that all black people have the same tastes in what they watch on T.V. is a stereotype within itself.
National Association for the Advancement of White People.
United Caucasian College Fund.
While I agree that it's stupid to limit it to specific races, the average black family is less wealthy sound than the average white family, so if it had to be one or the other this one would make more sense. I do however agree more with "United Poverty College Fund" as a better idea than a "Black" and a "White" college fund.
White Panther Party.
Mmm... Yup.
The Black Panther party is not a black supremacist party, but rather an anti-racism party, which the White Panther Party is a pretty clear parallel to.
White History Month.
Honestly, I think Black History Month is stupid as a whole.
This says what I think in a voice I could never hope to say it in.
This list could go on and on. The fact is, is that probably
90%
of the "racism" that exists in America today is "reverse racisim", and the majority of it is goverment funded and is just as
blatent as the discrimination against blacks was before the Civil Rights Movement.
Sauce? I agree it's a problem, but pulling numbers out your ass does not help anyone.
And for the underlined part, no. NO. That is
completely ^&*!ing false.
When black people start hanging white people for trying to vote you can say that. If you think that, get over yourself.
Being "Proud to be White" makes you a Klan Member.
Being "Proud to be Black" makes you a Community Leader.
Being "Proud to be " only makes sense in the context of that race being commonly thought of as inferior.
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334295
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Post by
MyTie
Being "Proud to be White" makes you a Klan Member.
Being "Proud to be Black" makes you a Community Leader.
Being "Proud to be " only makes sense in the context of that race being commonly thought of as inferior.
Why must my race be commonly thought of as "inferior" in order to be proud of it? Are blacks commonly thought of as inferior? Where is your evidence to support such a radical claim?
Post by
MyTie
Where are MY food stamps? Where are MY jobs programs? Why doesn't Habitat for Humanity build ME a house? In short, and to summarize your post,
why is somebody else getting something I don't get
?
You do realize that these points you bring up are not based on race, but based on income levels?
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168916
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