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Does anyone care about the NBA lockout?
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Atik
Basketball games shouldn't be any more or less profitable than playing basketball...
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gnomerdon
this is what happens when a monopoly screws up.. leaves all of us hanging with no where to go to, except european basketball if u are that desperate.......
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gnomerdon
never link anything from the onion....
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MyTie
Basketball games shouldn't be any more or less profitable than playing basketball...
This was probably the best worded reply in this entire thread.
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MyTie
You obviously have no idea how much time and commitment and effort it takes to be a division 1 college athlete let alone an nba player. Doctors and don't make 60-80k a year. Average salary for a general practitioner is 170k with every other specialist making above them. Pilot of larger aircrafts like a triple 7 make around 200k. There are around 450 nba players... they are a lot more rare than doctors.
Doctors, airline pilots, general practitioners, specialists... EVERYONE you mentioned contributes to society, except NBA players, who play basketball. They play basketball. This does not contribute. General practitioners make 170K a year, you stated, and atheletes make 500K "a pop" (a game) you said? Where is the logic in that? You support this? A man or woman spends an entire year aiding people to live healthier and fuller lives, and that is worth less than half of one dude playing a game of basketball?
Can't you see how your priorities might be misplaced?
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Atik
You obviously have no idea how much time and commitment and effort it takes to be a division 1 college athlete let alone an nba player
You obviously have no idea how much time and commitment and effort it takes to be a docter let alone a millitary personnel or a government official.
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Murrdurr
Oh get over it on how much they make, no hospital is going to give a Doctor a multi-million dollar contract, no fire station, no school, no airline. However, a NBA Owner will, because they can, because its either theirs or their investment groups money to do what they please to do with. Basketball is an insanely profitable thing (if managed right) to get into so obviously theres going to be big dollars thrown around.
And if you wanna say NBA players do not contribute to society, well then get your head out of your ass and go around the internet and read about not only NBA players, but NFL, MLB, NHL players giving back in sometimes small ways to very big ways. I realize not every player gives back, but theres plenty that do.
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Atik
However, a NBA Owner will, because they can, because its either theirs or their investment groups money to do what they please to do with.
Then the players shouldn't whine and cry when their salaries get cut.
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Murrdurr
However, a NBA Owner will, because they can, because its either theirs or their investment groups money to do what they please to do with.
Then the players shouldn't whine and cry when their salaries get cut.
I agree, I am on the owners side on this whole deal. But the players get the luxury of having a union so they can complain about their salaries and the owners cant just shoo them away because of it
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MyTie
They play basketball. This does not contribute.
And if you wanna say NBA players do not contribute to society, well then get your head out of your ass and go around the internet and read about not only NBA players, but NFL, MLB, NHL players giving back in sometimes small ways to very big ways. I realize not every player gives back, but theres plenty that do.
No one said that individual players themselves don't contribute to society. I said that the playing of basketball doesn't contribute. Basketball games themselves don't produce anything beyond entertainment, which is grossly overpriced and overvalued in society. You say they contribute to society, off of the court, but that doesn't give me a logical reason why they should get paid so much on the court.
Right now the NBA players are demanding more money than the owners want to pay. Your reasoning why this is acceptable, from what I can tell, is:
1) They are really good at basketball.
2) Some of them, as individuals, give back.
3) The owners have the money, and it's really a hobby, so they should pay more.
4) Basketball games make money.
My responses to these are as such:
1) Being good at something that isn't productive should produce nothing.
2) Personal philanthropy, while admirable, shouldn't oblige the employer to pay more.
3) I counter that owners are in it for prestige and the possibility of making money.
4) This is probably your most solid point. I'm a capitalist. If people want to throw their money at basketball games, I respect their right to do that. I don't agree with it, though, and think this is part of the degradation of society, much like the lottery, or smoking... etc. I'm not saying I'm the most responsible person in the world, but some people dump thousands of dollars down the hole that is a basketball team. It seems that some people have psychological problems. This is another topic that requires addressing on another level.Oh get over it on how much they make, no hospital is going to give a Doctor a multi-million dollar contract, no fire station, no school, no airline. However, a NBA Owner will, because they can, because its either theirs or their investment groups money to do what they please to do with.It doesn't seem to please them to continue to pay that much. By this rational, the players should accept what they get, which is substantially more than they deserve.
Get my head out of my ass? Do you want to be taken seriously? Be a little more subtle with your discontent.
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Murrdurr
My responses to these are as such:
1) Being good at something that isn't productive should produce nothing.
2) Personal philanthropy, while admirable, shouldn't oblige the employer to pay more.
3) I counter that owners are in it for prestige and the possibility of making money.
4) This is probably your most solid point. I'm a capitalist. If people want to throw their money at basketball games, I respect their right to do that. I don't agree with it, though, and think this is part of the degradation of society, much like the lottery, or smoking... etc. I'm not saying I'm the most responsible person in the world, but some people dump thousands of dollars down the hole that is a basketball team. It seems that some people have psychological problems. This is another topic that requires addressing on another level.
Theres really no point in arguing with your first response, I get it you dont like sports at all, whatever. But you know those Doctors, Firemen, Airplane pilots, teachers that you are arguing for? they probably love sports and are not sitting around complaining, there might be some but im willing to bet they are a minority bunch.
I dont think I was trying to get at the fact that if a player is a very giving person they should be paid more, I was just stating they in any way they can help give back and support their communities, no they cant be a doctor or teacher.But they can help in other ways because they were given the opportunity in a different way to actually make a difference.
No doubt the owners are in it to make money, to make the most money though you win championships, and thats why you see these high salaries, not the players fault the owners are willing to pay them that. Im not really going to go into the CBA details on what is really going on with player pay and league revenue split with someone who doesnt actually care about whats going, and who just stuck his head in because he didnt like the fact, for one reason or another that sport players get paid an insane amount of money.
So basically you admit to not being responsible in your hobby at times, or just in general, but because someone is not responsible in their hobby, which is sports makes them worse in some way? Regardless of the dollar amount its pretty hypocritical to say that. And to try and compare it to the lottery and smoking as some sort of addiction? I would say for every 10, hell every 50 "I got broke because im addicted to the lottery story" you might find 1 story where someone went broke because their hobby is some sport. The people who are spending big dollars for season tickets or luxury boxes, memorabilia are usually doing it because whatever job they have allows them to do so. And as far as I know, you cant die for liking a sport like you can die because you smoke.
And sorry you are not used to anything outside a family friendly board, I'll make sure I keep the bad words out next time for your fragile ea...erm...eyes.
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Post by
Atik
They provide entertainment
People who draw newspaper comic produce entertainment and don't get paid what basketball players do.
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