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Does anyone care about the NBA lockout?
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Post by
MyTie
I would prefer such a huge business and large amounts of money to be put into other industries, that make society great.
So you feel nobody should have any type of entertainment? Wow you seem like such a fun dude to hang out with. May I ask what you do for entertainment? Do you go on the highways and pick up trash? Spend all your time at animal shelters? Help old people?I don't feel that the NBA is an industry worthy of the kind of money we put into it. I don't know how you reached the conclusion that I don't believe in entertainment. Quite the imagination on you. Keep up the personal attacks and I'll just bypass your posts as irrelevant.
I'll buy this. I would agree that basketball is entertaining, and that is valuable, but I would also argue that basketball doesn't produce anything, well, beyond entertainment. I would prefer such a huge business and large amounts of money to be put into other industries, that make society great.
The point is people will pay well for basketball. Beyond whatever you feel personally about the sport, it has value, because in our free market economy something is worth what someone else will pay for it. To you personally it's not worth that much but it's worth a little bit to a large collective bunch of people which allows the organization to pay their star employees quite well.
And as much money as individuals pay for basketball and other forms of entertainment, we do pour much more into "other industries that make society great" like health care and public schools. I pay like 3500 a year in property taxes that mainly go to pay for public schools. I spend much less on basketball in a year, and if you ignore restaurant bills since they're food plus entertainment, I spend much less on total entertainment in a year as well.
I agree. This is a topic of subjective opinion, and all I am doing is applying mine, which, in this case, is a dissent from the majority.
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ElhonnaDS
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/14/nba-players-reject-league-offer-begin-to-disband-union/?hpt=hp_t1
Latest development, for anyone who cares. Can they really sue the NBA for not agreeing to the terms they want?
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Atik
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/14/nba-players-reject-league-offer-begin-to-disband-union/?hpt=hp_t1
Latest development, for anyone who cares. Can they really sue the NBA for not agreeing to the terms they want?
They can try.
I don't see it working out though...
Post by
ElhonnaDS
I feel like this is going to start a colossal change in the way that professional sports teams are paid, and not in a way that the players expect.
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164232
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ElhonnaDS
Depends on who you're rooting for, I guess.
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Post by
Sas148
Actually I think yours is the majority opinion, just look at most of this thread's replies lol. Look at any of the user comments on espn or nba.com and you'll see most people are with you. I'm in the minority here as a supporter of the players. Just sad there's no season yet.
I would think that if you look at any sports website (which is likely frequented by individuals who care about sports) you're going to find comments about people being against the lockout. I hardly think looking only at ESPN or NBA websites is going to give you an accurate 'majority' impression on the overall feeling to the matter.
Post by
Artinz
So you think that de-certifying will actually be of benefit to the owners?
De-certifying the union would benefit the owners, and therefore the fans. The owners locked the players out because players are being payed way too much, and also, the guaranteed contracts that the players want are stupid, because their salary should always be based on performance.
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Atik
Wasn't there one NBA player who was offered a 7 million dollar contract or something, and replied to the team offering it "You know I have a family to feed, right?"
I just remembered hearing about that or something...
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Artinz
So you think that de-certifying will actually be of benefit to the owners?
De-certifying the union would benefit the owners, and therefore the fans. The owners locked the players out because players are being payed way too much, and also, the guaranteed contracts that the players want are stupid, because their salary should always be based on performance.
I find your theory interesting.
So the best way to resolve the dispute is to disolve the union, and then start hundreds (possibly) of lawsuits, or one massive lawsuit against the owners re: anti-trust.
When the lawsuits take months to sort out and the entire season gets cancelled - how does that benefit either side?
Especially considering that we will probably be in a similar situation in 4-5 years time when the next agreement runs out.
At the risk of creating a quote pyramid, I'll agree that it would definitely result in a lot of a lawsuits, which isn't the fault of the owners, its the fault of the players. The public is not willing to spend as much to buy a basketball ticket anymore, so the owners are losing money by paying players the same high amounts, because the players think they are worth more than they are. There needs to be a hard cap so that the league doesn't fold, which it was leaning towards before the lockout.
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Artinz
Chopped down the Qp for you :)
I find it hard to swallow that the owners can complain about the upward spiral of players wages, when they are the ones agreeing to the contracts.
Hehe, thanks for that.
The reason that the owners complain so much is because of the vast differences in the amount of money owners have. For example, the Lakers, being one of the most popular teams, can afford to pay players much more than less popular teams like the Bobcats. That's why some of the less powerful owners want a hard salary cap so that they can get players of similar caliber. Its bad for the better players, and even worse for the mediocre players, because all that is going to happen is that teams will be saving all their money for the top players, and spending very little on the rest of their team. The players are too greedy nowadays, so the league is kind of screwed either way. The only way for the system to be fixed at all is for the max player salary to be lowered.
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