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Judge who beat daughter on tape not being charged
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Interest
This Wednesday I got my report card, and for a minute I thought I had lost it. My dad said if I had he would take my computer away. Five minutes later when I still couldn't find it, he uplugged the charger/headphones and carried it into my his room. I finally found it and he gave it back, but in that moment I totally panicked, it really made me realize how much I rely on my computer and take it for granted. As silly as taking their toys away sounds, everyone has something along similar lines and it is actually a much more effective punishment method than physical abuse.
That's a pretty lame punishment. I can understand why your dad would do that...but...
Taking away my computer would be a pretty effective punishment =P
Same here. The problem is I purchased it. My parents have no right to lay their hands on it =)
Post by
Rankkor
If we fight violence with violence, how are we any better than them? It's like setting fire on fire to stop a building from burning.
I know you mean it in a good way (as good as getting your balls sawed off can be :P) but revenge has never lead to justice.
sometimes its the only answer, as nasty as it can be..... at the very least a kick to the crotch for being such a jerk......
back when the crap hit the fan in my country, during a political march on the streets of caracas, chavez trew the national guard at the people protesting outside the presidential palace of miraflores.
they used tear gas, rubber bullets and riot prods against the crowd to disperse them, on the confusion me and my parents got separated, and next thing I know, a national guard is beating my mom with a stick.
a 30 something dude in full riot gear, beating mercilessly an elderly woman of over 50 years withour mercy or remorse.
now you tell me if people like him would had responded to anything OTHER than violence, if I had asked him to stop beating my mom, would he has stopped? he would not. How did I stopped him? by smashing him in the face with a brick till I left it a bloody pulp.
got 3 years in jail for that but it was worth it because my mom is alive. (To clarify, no I did not killed the guard, I'd probably never see the light of day again if that was the case. The DA wanted to give me 20 years in jail, the judge was compassionate because A: I didn't killed the guy, just left his face looking like an industrial accident, and B: because I did it to save my mom, so I got 3 years instead of 20)
All I'm saying is that some people deserve to be hurt. This piece of crap is one of them.
I mean seriously, the girl did a relatively minor offense, and that's an excuse to beat her with a belt for 7 MINUTES? on top of verbally assaulting her? WHILE THE KID IS DISABLED?
sorry, but those filth are beyond words, if violence is the language they speak, violence is the language others should use against them.
Post by
Squishalot
I actually don't have any qualms with corporeal punishment, as it's ruled in Australia.
1) You are not allowed to leave any lasting marks. For example, any scarring, long-term bruising, etc. will move from corporeal punishment into assault / battery.
2) That's it.
As a parent, you are allowed to and entitled to put the fear of <insert overpowered being here> into your kids for doing something wrong. Corporeal punishment is just one part of that package, which you can elect to use or not. Just like taking away someone's computer, it's not a 'one size fits all' solution - there will be people who will not benefit from threats to remove their computer, just like there will be people who will not benefit from threats of physical pain - as long as parents remember that it's not for all people and all situations, it has its place in a parent's arsenal of tools with which to bring up their children.
I'm with MyTie on this one. My personal rules would be:
a) Never strike in anger. A parent should always be in complete control of themselves.
b) Open hand only, no fists, elbows or anything that would be used in MMA.
c) Don't overuse it - corporeal punishment is not for kids forgetting to do their homework. The fear of punishment is often more effective than the actual punishment itself, and you lose that if you (ab)use it too much.
If I screwed up bigtime when I was growing up, I was spanked. For all the armchair experts who think that spanking = serious psychological issues in future, I would like to point out firstly that that spanking in MyTie's sense is completely different from beating your kid up in the Judge video, and that people these days are growing up today with more diagnosed psychological issues than ever before. I do agree with the argument on the first page - there is a negative correlation between spanking and psychological issues in kids. I don't believe that it's causation, but it does suggest that whatever people are replacing spanking with, it's not helping much.
Just my thoughts.
Post by
Jubilee
got 3 years in jail for that but it was worth it because my mom is alive. (To clarify, no I did not killed the guard, I'd probably never see the light of day again if that was the case. The DA wanted to give me 20 years in jail, the judge was compassionate because A: I didn't killed the guy, just left his face looking like an industrial accident, and B: because I did it to save my mom, so I got 3 years instead of 20)
how many times have you been in jail? :o
that's the second one i've seen you mention
Post by
Rankkor
how many times have you been in jail? :o
that's the second one i've seen you mention
3 times =(
First one for defending my mother (got 3 years for that one, AND my family had to pay for all the medical expenses of the guard I beat the crap out of, WHEN HE WAS THE ONE BEATING MY MOM! >.<)
Second one for bringing first aid to a woman shot in front of my house, got 5 days in the police precinct since the cops were "gathering clues" (READ: they were trying to pin that on me just because I was found at the scene, nevermind that I was actually trying to help her)
Third one for a week, for going to the black market in Punto Fijo at a bad time. Ever since Chavez established CADIVI (a corporation that regulates all the money that gets in and out of the country) EVERYTHING is mega-super expensive (For a slight example, an XBOX 360 costs what I make in 5 months), so naturally smugglers saw their chance for profit, they buy stuff at stock on places like panama, and sell it in Punto Fijo (A place in the middle of the colombian/venezuelan border)
its the largest black market in the country, everything sold there is illegal, but its THE ONLY WAY to buy nice stuff without having to pay absurdly outrageous amounts of money for it.......
problem is....... cops tend to raid punto fijo without warning, any sellers and unlucky customers get busted.
On that one i got really lucky, and got out in a week since by then my cousin Josmar had joined the force, and he pulled some strings to get me out of that mess.
Naturally I've been a bit more paranoid about going to Punto Fijo again, even though they sell stuff (everything from food to electronics ect) over 60% cheaper than the rest of the country, and still manage to make a profit (that expensive stuff is everywhere else)
so yhea, first time for defending my mom, second time for helping a woman who had been shot, third time for going to a market.
this is kinda "that" kind of place.
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Rankkor
I'm telling you rite now, if this had happened in venezuela, that guy would had gotten lynched on the streets by an angry mob.
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Post by
Firallon
I think you guys are missing the point with the "corporal punishment or not" discussion. The man specializes in domestic dispute cases. Meaning this worthless sack of flesh brings it upon himself to judge others for beating their wives and daughters (or husbands, but that's far less reported, and a different matter entirely). Meaning there's no punishment severe enough for a... thing like this.
Post by
Squishalot
I think you guys are missing the point with the "corporal punishment or not" discussion. The man specializes in domestic dispute cases. Meaning this worthless sack of flesh brings it upon himself to judge others for beating their wives and daughters (or husbands, but that's far less reported, and a different matter entirely). Meaning there's no punishment severe enough for a... thing like this.
Well, yes and no. You can't judge a 'thing like this' unless you define it correctly.
Is it corporeal punishment, or is it assault? Until you can distinguish those two factors, you can't conclude whether it's anything to do with the sorts of cases he deals with on a daily basis.
Post by
pezz
There isn't a statute of limitations on murder, or several other crimes.
Originally the statute of limitations was created because, in many cases, if you don't get eyewitness testimony when it's fresh, it tends to fade over time and become confused. Forensic evidence becomes degraded and unusable. Evidence files get lost and moved around. They didn't want to risk convicting someone of something they didn't commit just because evidence was gone, or waste resources pursuing crimes where there was almost no evidence, except in the gravest circumstances (like murder). Also, in many cases, the motives of a complaining witness seem questionable when they wait 5, 7 or 10 years to complain about an event (not always the case, but many juries would see it that way.)
In the current age of digital cameras on every phone, on every street corner and in baby's teddy bear, and improved forensic techniques, it might be time to review the statutes of limitations and see if they should be longer.
There's more to it than that. You could just keep enough evidence that someone smoked pot once, and use that to keep them in jail for a good long time while you investigate another crime at your leisure if you wanted to. That's part of why we have the statute. Otherwise there'd be a loophole in due process.
Post by
MyTie
Is it corporeal punishment, or is it assault? Until you can distinguish those two factors.
Apples and oranges distinguish themselves.
Post by
Squishalot
Is it corporeal punishment, or is it assault? Until you can distinguish those two factors.
Apples and oranges distinguish themselves.
Corporeal punishment gone wrong = a subset of assault. It's not as simple as apples and oranges.
Post by
MyTie
Corporeal punishment gone wrong = a subset of assault. It's not as simple as apples and oranges.
They both have commonalities, but are very different. They are both fruit, and have an outer layer. However, it is very easy to see the difference between the two. Even looking at it, you can tell, just by a glance, which is which.
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MyTie
Why is Texas allowed to be a state?
Texas? New York kills their babies before they can even get out of the womb, and then double bags the corpses and tosses them in the dumpster. But, ya know, they aren't even born yet... so it's not like they are real.
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Lenience
Why is Texas allowed to be a state?
Texas? New York kills their babies before they can even get out of the womb, and then double bags the corpses and tosses them in the dumpster. But, ya know, they aren't even born yet... so it's not like they are real.
That's horrifying.
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