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Multi Boxing in PvP.
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Post by
DavidIsaak
Why would anyone in their right mind pay for all those extra accounts just to multibox? All they gain is the ability to faceroll people in pvp, which is boring, at the cost of extra computers and extra money per month. What a waste.
Why would you decide for others what a good use of their time and money is? A lot of people would call the money and time you spent on your one account a waste. Do you think they should be able to tell you what you should enjoy?
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Post by
slasher0161
Wait up let me try summarize the last 4 pages of rubbish I just trawled through:
Against multiboxing:
It take places other people could take causing them to lose a spot
(Invalid they still get a spot albeit takes maybe an extra minute (consider the average players /played and tell me 1min makes a difference)).
It possibly reduces group effeciency
(The whole discussion wouldn't have come up here if this were true, it started out as a pvp rant because someone got facerolled in a pug bg by some multiboxers, lord help if they face a QQ premade or any other organized group.)
Because the person controlling the characters is using smartly co-ordinated macro's to play and thats not clicking so they should be banned!
Yes the final point there is hyperbole but that is pretty well what the arguments against multiboxing boil down to.
Now for some anecdotal evidence, I have had an active WoW account now since October 2006, so you could say i've been playing for a little while. In my time playing I have clocked up a few hundred days of /played of which I would estimate there is around 15% afk time included. I would estimate I have run around 4-5000 dungeons and 2-3000 battlegrounds that were pugs (if not more but lets work on these figures). I can honestly recall encountering at most in that large span of time 16 multiboxers of which only 4 were in dungeons and the other 12 in bg's.
Now here is the exciting point, the ones in dungeons I didn't even notice until I thought "Hey competent dps that can stay out of the bad stuff... hey they all have the same name from the same realm... what do you know they are all wearing the same gear they are multiboxers. *shrug* *continue pulling*"
As for the battleground cases there was only 1 incidence where it turned the tide of the battle and interestingly enough got facerolled again several games later by the same tactic but this time they characters were independantly controlled (differing names, realms, gear, ect.). The funniest part of all this was that the tactic of using 5 unholy deathknights at a choke point was what proved fatal.
The carnage went as follows.
(Dgripx1, infestx4) -> Necrotic strike x5 -> Necrotic strike x5 -> Necrotic strike x5 -> Necrotic strike x5 -> Necrotic strike x5 ->Necrotic strike x5.
Now there is nothing that can be done against that, the damage is unhealable even as fresh 85's purely based on the mechanics of necrotic strike and as they held us at a bottle neck when they did so there was little that could be done, both instances of this were in av. However to turn around and blame the losses on multiboxers would be completely stupid, especially when we got facerolled a couple of games later by the same tactic just independently controlled characters.
I would also say if you want to see pvp griefing, que up in the 80-84 bracket in wsg and get put on a team of all 80-82 character when your opposition has 2 level 84's and a healer. Its physically impossible to win.
(I would know I was on the team with the 84's and held an entire team at the graveyard for 22minutes with only myself a survival hunter and a priest mcing the odd stray back and healing me every 6 respawns.)
Say they could use all the tactics they wanted in the world but when your dead in 2 gcd's from respawning all the stratergy in the world isn't going to save you, that is griefing and their best bet with that bg was to /afk out. However to claim multiboxing is on that level is absolute rubbish.
TL;DR
If you want to ban multiboxers ban any form of intelligent playing also, its far more dangerous and likely to cause griefing, this is coming from someone with a fair few years of experience behind them.
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Post by
slasher0161
Sky my point is there is that many terrible players around anyway that if someone has the intelligence to set up the required programs to multibox they will likely play better than the incompetent players that would normally fill those spots. So you also admit that 5 man dungeons are faceroll, therefore who the hell will notice the difference of a multiboxer there? If your raiding with a multiboxer then more fool you for getting into a group with them. Honestly the speed of a group is set by the tank and healer, the dps by this point of an expansion are nice but not really groundbreaking to the pace unless they are completely useless. With all that said what has been established is multiboxing is a non issue in pve, unless you wish to dispute your own claims?
The pvp issue as I said is very small and really any co-ordinated group is far more of an issue. Multiboxers can be easily handled with cc, they are often just as helpful as other pugs. So what is the real issue here, what is the one solid point to say they should be banned. Nothing a multiboxer does is effecting your game play anymore than any pug experience would.
Actually you know what, I think we should ban multiboxers! I also don't like scene kids and hipsters near malls and shopping complexes so lets arrest them too while we are at it, its effecting the experience of the place. I also think licences should be removed from anyone who does below the speed limit, doesn't know how to use indicators, can't reverse parallel park or drives a smart car, it is after all ruining the experience of driving for all people on the roads.
Would you not agree these are all fair claims, its all a minority ruining the experience of a place to some extent, not really doing anything bad but hey whats the difference?
Post by
DavidIsaak
I really don't know why you complain about group efficiency because if anything it is gonna increase.
Take these 2 recent threads:
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=199730
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=186774
And actually, this too:
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=17546
And you consider multiboxing to be a problem?
And to say the goal of the BG is this or that is doing everyone a disservice. A battleground is a place for people to do some PvP for fun. Thou I admit plenty of people see it as an necessary chore and evil. The goal in a bg if anything is to defeat the opposition. If holding the bossroom accomplishes that then it is fair play. If it wasn't then they would not have won. And multiboxers in that case were unrelated, they would not have won in any case because it was an unexpected situation and a bg team that size is not able to adapt in the slightest.
Post by
DavidIsaak
Lets address some other things shall we.
So can everybody else bid on every item that drops even if the person has a better one or don't even really need them. I'm saying, enchanter's argument of bidding every green, blue item because they need to lvl their profession, a total bull. Everyone else has the right to bid on everything if they can, but they don't, just out of common courtesy. Enchanters who bid on everything is not showing that courtesy and can be considered selfish because he/she is ignoring other people's right to get the item.
I don't know if you have run any of the new heroics but I've geared 5-6 characters there and to say people don't need on things they don't need out of common courtesy is a massive lie. I would consider it a 50-50 chance or less for people not to need on what they don't need. On numerous occasions I have seen people in all 397 or more needing on the 378 gear someone else needs. I have had hunters need on the strength weapons i desperately needed. People are just greedy and selfish all around. And I don't think you can compare it to the "selfishness" of a multiboxer because they aren't stealing from anyone. This is getting besides the point so I won't discuss it further.
I'm sure there are some multi-boxers who play to win, and I'm sure some have skills to do so. But in most case, no, multi-boxers multi-box so that they can get what they want in half the time, or 1/5 of the time. Sure they play to win because winning gives more of what they want, but that doesn't mean they have the skills to back it up. The purpose of multi-boxing in a group play is more closer to what I said above, to reap out other player's time and service for their benefit. Take RDF multi-boxing for example.
I don't understand how they would get what they want in less time because it doesn't take any less time. They (let's assume the multiboxer has 3 accounts) would need three times the drops thus taking 3 times as much time to gear. And the part where you say "Sure they play to win because winning gives more of what they want, but that doesn't mean they have the skills to back it up." is true for every player.
How are they 'reaping' out the time and effort of other players? Everybody gets what they would have gotten anyways. No one loses out on anything. People don't lose anything, they gain things. Because a multiboxer is infinitely more likley to not suck than your average player.
I don't see any argument that multiboxing is bad, i only see reasons why it is good.
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Post by
slasher0161
Sky with great honesty either group could run the dungeon faster there is too many factors that aren't the fact that several characters are controlled by 1 person that effect it. However if you really want to generalize it than the group with the multiboxer would be more effective as there is less elements to stuff up. Ultimately everyone is entitled to their opinion about multiboxing but to cry because it is permitted is completely pointless and stupid.
Post by
Poolie72
It possibly reduces group effeciency
(The whole discussion wouldn't have come up here if this were true, it started out as a pvp rant because someone got facerolled in a pug bg by some multiboxers, lord help if they face a QQ premade or any other organized group.)
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This discussion was started because I think Mutli Boxing is cheating. Not because as you say ' someone got face rolled' I played a lot of pvp. Arena rbg and pre-made's. I have no issues with being beaten by a well organised group with good tactics etc. If the game was ment to be played where you control 5 chars at once then it would be made that way. example Guild Wars.
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Post by
Dragalthor
I, personally, could not care less if someone wants to multi-box. They have never ruined the game for me whether I have come across them in battlegrounds or in RDF.
I remember coming across my first one back sometime in TBC and I have to admit it was a bit anoying watching them steam roll my team. However, if they want to fork out for the extra accounts, the system to run those accounts on and set thr whole thing up fair play to them, in my opinion.
Post by
slasher0161
Mate they have equal rights to play, they pay the subs, the pay to have the computer(s) capable of running the set-ups. They aren't common place and yet you still complain about them being fakes and a problem. Your a real crack up, I know entire guilds that go and troll bg's by forcing turtles in AV (yes it is possible to force a turtle every game if you have only 5 people that know what they are doing), I also know other people who intentionally camp the chest at darkmoon and sell it to the highest bidder just to make people rage. Yet in your eyes these people aren't a problem because its a "real" person in direct control (not .3 seconds of computation time behind).
You really need to consider what the hell your actually arguing because trying to shove the whole fake account argument out is a load of rubbish. They pay the subs on those accounts for all intensive purposes those accounts are as real as any other person playing. The only time its an issue is when there is 0 player input behind the character and it is purely running on script.
Also for the record there are people out there who multibox full 5 man teams (there is 2 on my realm that run prot paladin, disc priest, mage, mage, warlock) the reason you don't see them is because the curve of difficulty to multibox tank / healer simultaneously is a fair chunk harder and if your doing so you may as well not have to have any random pug able to get the loot. If multiboxing is such a simple cheat go spend the extra money yourself and prove it is so overpowered, and please if you get beaten I would love to hear all about how group play is overpowered.
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Post by
Dragalthor
I hate to resurrect this thread but I have just been in SM-Graveyard as a Shammy healer with a multi-boxing shammy DPS team and they did not hinder my enjoyment of the run one iota.
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