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Kony 2012 - 4/20 Anyone?
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Monday
I'm going to be skipping this. The only charity I donate to is the LDS Humanitarian Fund, since I know exactly where the money is going and I know that it's going to be used for good purposes.
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331902
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Post by
xlanadenx
Wow.
You sir are an idiot, You really aught to do some research into why these poor bastards are in the predicament they are.
I guess they sucked at being born in the west, so screw them.
As for OP:-
No thanks.
I think this is clearly engineered to suck in and leach from as many people as possible.
I'll donate to charities I trust.
Oh this is gun' be good...
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OverZealous
To be honest, I am against most of the charities. The only ones I will be willing to support (when I have my own money that is) are educational and after-natural-disaster ones, because educational have long-term benefit, while crisis relieve is not people's fault. But, I find questionable all other charity work, because I don't trust people in general, and it seems like people on the other end just get help because they suck....
Wow. That is, eh... I guess they Ugandan people suck really hard at being born in the West, eh?
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gamerunknown
Founders posted a pretty comprehensive response to the
criticisms
.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
I agree with Boron.
It's just lazy to get cancer, or be born with a neurological degenerative disease. Women totally need to take responsibility for their own lives and just stop being born into countries where the laws consider them second class citizens. And clearly, animals who are abused were just asking for it. I mean come on- when kittens are walking around and being all kitten-y, you know that they're really just trying to provoke a fist fight. And all those dogs and cats on the street wouldn't be on the street if they would just go get a job.
/end sarcasm
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557473
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ElhonnaDS
@ Boron
For the record, the way women achieved equal rights in countries where they have them now is that people organized, created public awareness and lobbied for changes to the law. Which are the things that non profit organizations are doing right now in countries where there is still inequality. These charities are following all of the same steps that other organizations in the past have to achieve this goal. They are the definition of someone who stands up and fixes it. It seems like you are bashing groups who are working to fix the problem BECAUSE you believe that people should work to fix the problem. Do you not see the failure of that logic?
Edit: Also, not wanting to be dragged into the street, raped and beaten to death =/= lazy, and most certainly doesn't mean you like being raped and abused under other circumstances.
Similar problem with the cancer example. You say you would support research and education, but not a charity. The charities fund research and education about prevention.
Animal charities are charities who seek to solve issues about animal abuse from the human end, and quite a bit of that is education and public awareness.
The continuing theme in this and other threads is that you have made up definitions for words and organizations that have nothing to do with what they actually are, and then complain about them doing what they don't and being what they're not. I don't remember if it was you or someone else who complained that you didn't want to have to do research on every topic to debate. But it seems interesting to me that someone with such strong opinions about certain laws, certain organizations, etc seems to have no actual information about them to base his complaints on.
This is the kind of argument I hate:
Person A: I can't believe that jerk down the street stole a car.
Me: He didn't steal it. He bought it.
Person A: How can you justify him stealing it.
Me:...I didn't. I said that he bought it.
Person A: Well if he wanted a car, he should have gone out and traded something for it, like money, and not just taken it.
Me: That's what buying is. You trade money for a car.
Person A: Well, I don't think he should have taken the car without giving money.
Me: Are you listening to yourself. You're telling me he should do X. I'm telling you he already did X. You're not getting it.
Person A: so you're ok with stealing?
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Patty
See the problem is if you don't like something you stand up and fix it. So, clearly they either like it or too lazy to fix it.
Because that's worked so well in Syria.
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Azazel
See the problem is if you don't like something you stand up and fix it. So, clearly they either like it or too lazy to fix it.
Because that's worked so well in Syria.
I'm sure most people love starving to death.
And how would you fix something without the means to it?
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557473
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ElhonnaDS
When I argue about people being responsible for providing for themselves, I'm always talking about the US, and other countries where the government is stable, the economy is functioning, and the opportunity exists for people to support themselves.
Many people, I think, can't grasp the difference between a place like the US, and countries where there is no money or resources to be had, no matter how hard you're willing to work. What the difference is between speaking your mind in the US, where you're protected, and speaking your mind in countries where either the government uses torture and murder as control tactics, or the drug cartels and/or guerrilla factions are so well-funded and armed that the government doesn't have the means to protect the people.
In the US, or in other countries where human rights are protected, speaking your mind can make you unpopular. Working for legal change can cost spare time and money. Protesting can lead to fines, maybe a few days of jail time if you break the rules. In a worst case scenario, cops might go too far with pepper spray, tasers, manhandling- but they'll be investigated, often charged and convicted, and almost always publicly ostracized.
In other countries, imprisonment, rape and torture are the government sanctioned responses to speaking out against them. There was an article not that long ago about a couple of bloggers who were found disemboweled and hanging from a bridge for speaking out against the drug cartels in Mexico. I have read survivor accounts of prisoners from countries who described the most horrible things you can imagine- things that I am not willing to describe just to make this point- but things that are immensely disturbing on a human level. In some places, people live in fear that if they organize resistance to the government or criminal/military groups that they'll return to find they children have been murdered.
To call people afraid to risk those kinds of reprisals "lazy" or say "they must like it" is insensitive, uninformed and completely incorrect.
@Boron- tell me, how would a group of women, many of whom are beaten for stepping out without a husband's permission be able to meet in a large enough groups to plan this "mass revolt"? How would a populace that cannot read because no one can afford to pay teachers, spread information about when and where such meetings would be. How would they force change if the government has no problem letting their forces with machine guns mow down hundreds or thousands of unarmed civilians to make a point?
And, so I can try to understand, other than informing people and making them aware, to try an prevent abuse on a societal level, and removing animals to prevent abuse on an individual level, how else can someone "deal" with animal abuse.
And, no offense, but donating to a research facility that is working to cure cancer is still DONATING TO A CANCER CHARITY.
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557473
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Post by
Azazel
So they are starving, but have no incentive to try and grow food?
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ElhonnaDS
@Entroryutd and Elhonna: I listed cases where it worked. If you are afraid to go against the regime, and you are not ready to face the circumstances, you are weak and deserve what is happening to you.
I have nothing else to say to Boron's last comment, once again. It is sad that ideas like this can still persist in a person who is obviously educated enough to read and write, but there's nothing I can do from my computer to change that. I won't even say that I would wish that you could understand first hand what it's like to be in that position, because I can't wish that on anyone, no matter how callous or ignorant their ideas are. You need perspective in your life.
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Patty
@Patty Worked in Egypt, Tunisia, France (Revolution of 1789), Russia (1917 and then in 1991, of course it is debatable how much of a change it was in both cases) and many other places. As for Syria, here are few of my ideas why it might be taking so long, either: a) Not well organised revolt always leads to disaster and they need to rethink their strategy or b) they rely on Libyan scenario, where they will get killed for a while and then rest of the world will rush in and help them top the dictator for them, which is the problem I am talking about, the over-reliance on Western help and aid.
@Azazel Grow your own food? Problem is that there is no incentive for African farmers to grow food, because EU dumps their subsidized food product in their (
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/eu-subsidies-deny-africas-farmers-of-their-livelihood-478419.html
). Instead of giving them food, all those charities would be better off is they lobbied against CAP (common agricultural policy of EU) and likes of it
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@Entroryutd and Elhonna: I listed cases where it worked. If you are afraid to go against the regime, and you are not ready to face the circumstances, you are weak and deserve what is happening to you.
I can't even begin to formulate a response to this.
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