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Who would you give up your seat for?
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Post by
Adamsm
/shrug I treat everyone with common curtsey; if they are worthy of being treated of respect, then I will; if not, then I don't say or have anything to do with them.
Post by
Squishalot
Try to address my point: Elders are generally more wise and learned than youth. Explain how that is incorrect.
Aside from the fact that it's a broad generalisation, I fail to see how they deserve more respect for their 'wiseness' characteristic, compared to youths for their 'future generation' characteristic.
Post by
91278
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Murrdurr
I would for a pregnant woman, a single mom with a infant/toddler. That might be it, maaaaybe a select few elderly people, but most are just asses anyways. War vets? I know too many war vets that are asses than ones that are nice, so no I would not get up for a war vet.
Post by
Squishalot
Actually, just had a thought.
Why should a war vet get special treatment anyway? They're either elderly, in which case they should be treated as an elderly person, or they're younger and able, in which case they're good to stand, and probably more physically capable than I am of doing so.
Post by
gamerunknown
let me ask explicitly - is it morally right (as opposed to legally right) to pay extra cash (an employer's sign of respect and care) to women just because they're women?
It's arguably right in one sense, in that it corrects systemically for wage disparity. Women get paid less for the same work on average in the industrial world, so reaching a consensus in the enlightened professions that women will get slightly more than men may balance the effect of the unenlightened ones.
Post by
donnymurph
True...but why should you respect some 70 year old man who is yelling racist and obscene comments to anyone who walks past? Or an iron side old lady who makes life a living hell for any customer service worker she encounters? Or, such as I encountered, a gym teacher who picked up on nastiness of his students and openly mocked anyone who wasn't a jock? Why should any of those people receive any respect at all?
This is
exactly
why I think it's a horrible tenet. And yes, horrible is the correct adjective.
Age, gender, race or other things that someone has
no control over
should
never
be a factor in whether they deserve my respect.
Post by
Squishalot
let me ask explicitly - is it morally right (as opposed to legally right) to pay extra cash (an employer's sign of respect and care) to women just because they're women?
It's arguably right in one sense, in that it corrects systemically for wage disparity. Women get paid less for the same work on average in the industrial world, so reaching a consensus in the enlightened professions that women will get slightly more than men may balance the effect of the unenlightened ones.
Two wrongs don't make a right. It just means that you're screwing two groups - the unenlightened women and the enlightened men.
Post by
donnymurph
Actually, just had a thought.
Why should a war vet get special treatment anyway? They're either elderly, in which case they should be treated as an elderly person, or they're younger and able, in which case they're good to stand, and probably more physically capable than I am of doing so.
It's not their age, but their
actions
, that make them worthy of respect. That said, if the war vet also happens to be a rapist/pedophile/thief/murderer etc, then the opposit is true.
Post by
Squishalot
More my point was, I don't see why they should be ranked over someone else purely based on where they served. There are plenty of hard-working people in other professions who are equally worthy of respect who don't get recognition.
Post by
donnymurph
Good point. I
guess
the difference is you can normally spot a war vet from a mile off. You don't necessarily know that the person standing next to you is a brain surgeon who has saved ten people's lives, or donates half their income to charity, or <insert noble action here>, but generally you know(?) when you're standing next to a war vet.
Post by
karatechop
Gonna get flamed (but hopefully not banned :S )
But for me i'd give up my seat to elderly people / war vets...maybe pregnant women but they knew what they were getting into so yea...
as for other people, nah, if a woman comes on here saying that's wrong...well what happened to wanting to be equal? =/
*if i shouldn't say this plz delete the post*!
Post by
Azazel
I can't see anything wrong with your opinion. It's fine dude.
Post by
donnymurph
That's the opinion of a lot of people in this thread. Nothing to be ashamed of.
Post by
karatechop
kk...didn't wanna read every post first lol
Post by
MyTie
More my point was, I don't see why they should be ranked over someone else purely based on where they served. There are plenty of hard-working people in other professions who are equally worthy of respect who don't get recognition.
They deserve respect because they put their life into mortal danger to fight for your way of life. I can't tell if you are being serious or are just trolling.
Edit: Donny, you are misattributing this to me. Adamsm was the one who said it.True...but why should you respect some 70 year old man who is yelling racist and obscene comments to anyone who walks past? Or an iron side old lady who makes life a living hell for any customer service worker she encounters? Or, such as I encountered, a gym teacher who picked up on nastiness of his students and openly mocked anyone who wasn't a jock? Why should any of those people receive any respect at all?
This is
exactly
why I think it's a horrible tenet. And yes, horrible is the correct adjective.
Age, gender, race or other things that someone has
no control over
should
never
be a factor in whether they deserve my respect.
Post by
donnymurph
Sorry, quoting fail. I can fix that up. Either way, I quoted that because I agree with what he's saying, and it is in direct reply to your post.
Post by
MyTie
Sorry, quoting fail. I can fix that up. Either way, I quoted that because I agree with what he's saying, and it is in direct reply to your post.
That's fine. I just didn't want someone getting the idea that I thought that. I think that Adamsm has a point, in that individuals don't automatically deserve respect based on their age. Individual circumstances vary. I just think that his argument is beside the point. It doesn't matter. I don't have people fill out applications to sit in my seat, and grade them based on their merit. I just assume that someone much older than me probably has lived a longer life with more experience and wisdom than I have. Therefore, I give them respect. I don't need to do a background check for that.
Post by
Adamsm
That honestly is more common courtesy then respect though.
Edit: Since even though that iron side of an old woman makes people's lives a living hell, I'd still offer her a seat on the bus, just because it's easier on her health.
Post by
MyTie
That honestly is more common courtesy then respect though.
Edit: Since even though that iron side of an old woman makes people's lives a living hell, I'd still offer her a seat on the bus, just because it's easier on her health.
We are looking at the same thing, I'm just answering "why". Why do I feel the need to extend that common courtesy? Respect. Generally, older people deserve respect. Not that complicated really. If I accidentally give my seat to a pederast, then it's not really that big of a harm. If everyone respected their elders, I believe there would be a net benefit for society.
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