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What will happen to Garrosh?
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MrSCH
Baine's revenge for what? For the fact that Garrosh killed him in a honorable duel (well Garrosh didn't know at the time that Magatha poisoned his axe)? A duel were it was Cairne who challanged Garrosh? A duel were Cairne challenged Garrosh and accusing him of atrocities he did not commit?
Baine's revenge for his father's death.
1. I didn't mention his revenge against Garrosh.
2. As stated, I don't know if he already has it.
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Hellscream's Future - Getting pugged by Pandas.
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MrSCH
don't really like that they would ruin his character by doing something that is blatantly wrong and unacceptable. It doesn't really fit the code of honor that he's actually following.
The world isn't black and white, and neither is the World of Warcraft. I don't think it's entirely inconceivable that Garrosh could warrant his own death while maintaining some perverse sense of honor and loyalty. A death borne of necessity - not desire - would have more impact for me, at least, than 'omg he's bad kill him'.
And yes, I know this thread is about his future. People were also talking mechanics now and then - so I just chucked in the stuff about Baine, as I thought it related somewhat. *Shrug*.
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MrSCH
The first option here just doesn't fit him, Garrosh is not a perfect person but he is not the kind of man who acts without honor.
I don't think it's entirely inconceivable that Garrosh could warrant his own death while
maintaining some perverse sense of honor
and loyalty..
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MrSCH
I don't think it's entirely inconceivable that Garrosh could warrant his own death while
maintaining some perverse sense of honor
and loyalty..
"Some perverse sense of honor" does not sound very honorably... It sounds like he does not preserve any real honor but simply trick himself into believing he preserve his honor. I don't see Garrosh as someone who have so little self-awareness.
If you then actually mean that he preserves his honor and loyalty (and not just tricking himself) what could he possibly do to warrant his own death?
It's just like the thing at the beginning of The Shattering - he attacks the Alliance ships, despite the fact that they have no defenses and are flying the white flag, and then spares a handful of them. To him, that's honorable - to me, at least, attacking them in the first place nullifies any sense of honor.
That's the way I see him. It's just my interpretation, and I think it would be easy for him to fall to villainy.
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Adamsm
Forsaken: Garrosh called their Queen a *!@#$, no matter how true it is, is gonna peeve off the Undead.
Blood Elves: They don't really care about him, beyond the fact they are still lumped in with the Forsaken on EK.
Trolls: Vol'jin hates him, so more then likely the Trolls feel the same.
Tauren: Baine hates him, and eventually wants to get 'justice' for what happened to his father at the hands of Garrosh, but knows that now isn't the time.
Goblins: Considering the Kor'kon captures the new Gob and their pack Hobgoblin, then the entire group gets the slums of Orgrimmar, probably ambivalent at the moment; though, we know that the Steamwheedle Cartel liked Cairne, or at least portions of it did.
Orcs: Split; those who came with Garrosh from Outland and the Mag'hari are his firm supporters, those who feel that Thrall's way of rule was hurting them support Garrosh, and those who think Thrall had the right idea don't support him.
Over all, Garrosh is a polarizing figure, but honestly at this point, I'm sure we'll see him overshadowed by a Sha and we'll have to get it out of him for the last big fight...but I still don't see Garrosh dying at the end anymore.
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Adamsm
Interesting! I didn't know Baine hated him, and can't really see why. Unless there's an irrational explanation of course, it can be like that with feelings involved. But where did you get that information that Baine hates him from?
The Shattering: He was very tempted to challenge Garrosh at the end but changed his mind, stating that he'll watch the orc and if he does anything like Grom, he'll be one of the first people there after his head and he also knew that it would just throw the Horde into further chaos if Garrosh died at that point.
Edit: Vacuos, this is twice now that someone has brought that up, and you ignored it the first time from MrSCH; have you actually read the book?
Edit 2: Remember all books are considered canon by Blizzard themselves.
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Adamsm
As Our Father's Before Us:
He's still leery of Garrosh, and thinks he'll get himself killed if he doesn't smarten up. He may not have openly said it in the short story(considering the hack job that the writers did with the others, entirely possible they forgot about that), but if it came down to Garrosh about to do something to destroy the Horde, he'd be there trying to stop it, right alongside Vol'jin.
Also, from the Shattering:
Baine confronts Garrosh in Thousand Needles, accusing him of willfully participating in Magatha's treachery. Garrosh insists that he was unaware of the trickery until it was too late, and expects that Baine will also challenge him. Baine refuses, believing that Cairne's challenge was intended to unite the Horde and another challenge would divide it further, and begrudgingly considers the matter settled. Though he is still angry at Garrosh for his part in his father's death (after all, Garrosh had upped the ante by making the Mak'gora a duel to the death), Baine acknowledges him as his Warchief, to which Garrosh, admiring the new High Chieftain, pledges the loyalty of the Horde to the new leader of the tauren.
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But why would Garrosh want to destroy the Horde?....That's pretty much the entire point of the thread; since the Devs said we'd be fighting Garrosh at the end of MoP, but haven't said why(still going with Sha Possession); whatever he does while under the thrall of the Sha is probably going to affect the entire Horde, and not in a good way.
Also: I quoted the section about Baine from the Shattering section of his page, not that hard to scroll up on a page.
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Adamsm
Considering how Garrosh has shown to feel about dishonorable tactics and corruption, it's about the only way to pull him off as an actual boss; he needs that corruption to be convincing.
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