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Specialisation Names & Class 4th Spec Ideas
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Druids got a forth spec so that people could actually make a 'true' choice between melee dps and melee tank. The other classes don't really need a new one just for the 'sake' of matching the druid.
As for the Monks: Same as the rest, they'll be called by specs but in all honesty they'll end up as just Brew, Wind and Mist.
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The issue with a lot of what you suggested is....it's redundant: they tried the DK having three tank trees and it didn't play well. Also, why would a lot of the pure dps classes even have a healer off spec?
Honestly, it wouldn't be that awesome to tell the truth, since all that does is further muddy the waters when it comes to classes and armour.
Oh and of course, there's the fact that the new talent trees aren't really set up for four specs, so they'd have to do another revamp of the trees.
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So why not make a Blood DPS tree rather then trying to revive the two one-hander tanking?
And heals don't make sense for Mages, Hunters, Rogues and especially Warlocks; beyond the pet based heals which is in line with the Hunters looking after their true companions, none of those classes 'should' be set up for heals. Warlocks are all about hurting others to create their spells, Mages can't touch the healing energy, and Rogues well....Rogues speak for themselves. Beyond the fact of course that lore doesn't back up any of them as healers.
As for the armour issue; you'd have to revamp way too much of the stats and how they affect the classes, such as the hunters needing to get mana back, which would be irritating at this point.
Also, think about how people complain in regards to the current trees. You'd also have to revamp the glyphs again.
And while it's true expacs are meant to create changes, they aren't meant to just screw around with the current classes for no real reason.
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People always say it doesn't fit the lore but honestly you create the lore to fit the game. You don't create lore to restrict what is possible, you create lore to expand what is possible. People said that priests can't heal with shadow because it hurts them yet cascade, halo and star all have dark shadow variants which deal damage AND heal. Necromancy deals with manipulation of life and death energies... warlocks currently drain people to heal themselves so why not others?No, but you need the basis of the lore to at least set things up: Necromancy, as benefits something created by the Dreadlords, can only kill, never heal, unless said target is already deceased...and just like Warlocks, you are healing yourself by causing pain and suffering to others. Also, there's the fact that Fel corrupts, twists and stains those who use it, and don't have any room for creating.
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Ok, well how do you explain healthstones then? A warlock creating something that can heal others? And shadow priest healing for that matter.
Yeah.....you mean the items crafted out of the souls of those the Warlock killed and caused intense pain to before they kicked the bucket?
And Shadow Priests are still priests: The Shadow isn't evil, it's merely the opposite of Light, which has no connection to Fel magic.
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1) So you can justify that warlocks can heal others through
a rock
crafted through the souls of people they've killed but you can't justify a warlock healing others through other spells besides a rock... even though they've killed others and got their souls and stuff... interesting...Even a warlock's self heals are all through causing pain and suffering to others and at the same time actively corrupting the Warlock as well. So yes, I don't think we'll ever see a Warlock healer....especially since they were made Oh ^&*! tanks in MoP.
2) Tell that to the anti-shadow priest healing enthusists:
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=200998/priest-4th-spec-idea-shadow-healing-holy-dps
They were very much against it due to the lore... but you've provided a simple explanation for why it's possible. And it's really that easy.
It's not against the Lore though: Never has been in fact, since from the very beginning they've been saying the Shadow is merely the opposite of the Light and not a corrupting influence a la the Fel...also, the whole 'Cult of the Forgotten Shadow' from the Forsaken, where they speak about being healed/mended by the Shadow spells.
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It's a 'crime' because Warlocks don't use Shadow, they use Fel magic for those spells of theirs that are meant to be 'heals' such as Drain Life, Healthstone or Soulstone. It would be the same as expecting a member of the Legion to heal you rather then just rip the life right out of your body...since that's the where the Warlock's power comes from.
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No, because that's not how the original Soul shards worked; you could only craft them from killing things after all. And trying to set up a healing around the most corrupting force in the Azerothian Universe is a bit of a stretch; since you know, trying to use that heal others would be passing that corruption onto them.
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You originally used Shards to make Healthstones; and you just said it, you would channel the most corrupting force in existence directly into another player, which would probably cause them intense pain and suffering.
A warlock healer could use a different resource if blizz wanted to... destro now has burning embers instead of soul shards, and demo with demonic fury.And both of those still go back to the fact that you can't use Fel magic to create/heal anything, just corrupt twist and sunder it from it's normal state.....the Eredar, the Fel Orcs, the Broken and a wide variety of other examples are perfect reasons why you don't do that stuff.
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You originally did... not anymore.
If warlocks use fel energy to craft healthstones then why aren't those who consume them in intense pain & suffering?
Gameplay segregation against lore; yes, it is true that HS should be causing pain and corruption. That being said, I still don't think you'll ever see a heal spec on the pure dps classes....now a tank, that's a possibility.
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