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Guardian solo'ing

Post by Primehorn

so anywho, my dps really suck... atleast im pretty sure.
20k dps in bear on the panther boss in zg. im dieing on second phase because shes getting too many stacks.

could anyone possibly tell me what im doin wrong? or if im not alone in the bear dps department.

im lvl 90 an my Ilvl is over 440. i feal like i should be doing a hell of a lot more dps. the survival of the fight is def not a problem...atleast up untill she gets too many stacks. i know if i could muster some more oomph i could get the job done

Post by Adamsm

Are you using your tanking cool downs to mitigate that damage from the stacking effect?

Post by Primehorn

he stackin effect becomes overwhelming. i cant do anything to mitigate it or avoid... i try my best to just dish out as much as i can asap.

but really does 20k dps sound right? i was doin that much dps on my blood dk at 85 with ilvl 370

Post by Thror

Armory link maybe?

Post by Primehorn

ill link my armory, but i dont wanna read any harsh critcism on how i dont got right glyphs or i shouldnt be doin this or that just cause someone wants to be an elitist jerk.

give me tips or dont say anything at all.

i had currently reforged all to dodge but it wasnt a pay off and i dont care about current content raiding or dungeons. doin dailies an old raids for farming mounts is about all i got time to do

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/alterac-mountains/Draiden/simple

Post by Cantoluna

So you want to know how you can do more dps as Guardian but you don't want people to point at what you could do to reach that goal?

Post by LookOut

So you want to know how you can do more dps as Guardian but you don't want people to point at what you could do to reach that goal?

I think he wants us to do it nicely. Yeah ...

Anywho, since you can skip mitigation somewhat because of the fact you're soloing old bosses, you can reforge out of mastery. And don't reforge into dodge. In fact, I was gonna say reforge into hit and expertise until cap (7.5% on both, don't bother with expertise hardcap), but that's only if you wanna try raid bosses (even old content raid bosses are considered 3 levels higher than you).

Glyphs seem fine, Maul is the only one that is somewhat useful for increasing bear dps (if you were raiding current content I would advise against it). I would advise against Glyph of Survival Instincts though, since the decreased cooldown will do you no good on a fight that shouldn't take that long. I'd take Might of Ursoc instead.

Talents: only thing worth noting is Incarnation instead of Force of Nature. I haven't actually tested this out, but I have a feeling that being able to spam your highest hitting ability AND rage generator gives more damage than 3 treants smacking your target and taunting it. You already have Nature's Vigil, so that's fine (I actually didn't know that increased damage since HotW is so "mandatory" to me when raiding current content).

Be sure to use both Berserk and Incarnation, and to not use one of these while the other is still up. Oh and Enrage of course.

If I had more time to reply, I'd have made fancy links, but alas :)

Post by Primehorn

ty lookout, for understand what i meant. some an by some i mean most people are trolls. i know the warcraft community very well. many will go out of there way to flame ya then help.

i know the maul glyph is bad for current an quite frankly i do just use it for cleave purposes. the treants do come in handy for the rare spawns so its a small damage mitigation spell for me. ill try out that ursoc see what happens in the dps department and do those reforgings

Post by Thror

Excellent advice, Lookout. Also, the treants are definitely a DPS loss when compared to Incarnation. The loss is the largest in current content though (because with the way the new Vengeance works, you get really low amounts of it in low level instances). Most of our DPS comes from Vengeance, and forcing the boss to attack treants for a few secs ends in a loss of Vengeance.

Post by Primehorn

so i tried a hit/expertise build with ursoc and incarnation. im still failing .. lol i gues its just me. did everything the best i could. i waited blew all my cooldowns to clear the adds on her an it was all smooth right up till she shapeshifts...an thats the part were i always fail.. i get her to almost 1-3% an i always die. even stacking my incarnation with nature vigil an zerk. i do a crap load of dps but its not enough for me to do her in, i guess i just need more gear upgrades.

on another note though i found the soloing aspect for druids has become alot harder with the changes to frenzy regen. someone said id just have to adjust to the changes an im trying but /cry. i liked it the old way but maybe the new is better. its just so hair pulling frustrating that i get SOOOO close to killing her.
when i pop all my cd's im doin 32k dps. an i do have all my cd's ready for that last phase. i was never a good dps player though. tanking an healing was always my fav cause i didnt have to meet any requirements for peoples demands.

oh another thing...i was wondering. of the 2 brewfest trinks which would be "better" the dodge one or a stamina one? i tried both on the fight an i get same results.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Sas148##DELIM##When you decide to make several posts in a row when no one else has said anything it's best to just edit your most recent response to add new information. I've combined your three replies into one here.

Post by Thror

Just getting to 90 is not always enough, especially when your average item level is barely higher than what you can get from level 89 quests.

You are not enchanted or gemmed and are not using any engineering tinkers. That means you are not spending any effort to maximize your potential. What is even worse, instead of farming heroics for gear, you are wasting your time bashing your head against a boss that does not drop anything that would actually benefit you (seriously, you are level 90 for 14 days and you only did five heroics, there is absolutely no way you can convince me that you are a capable and skilled bear tank). You should try to accept that maybe you are not capable of soloing that boss at your current gear/skill level.

Post by Primehorn

wow thror. now theirs the attitude i was expecting!.yeah..really eh? 5 heroics an new 90. GOOD for you! you know how to find information.
so yeah ive got a small time frame for playing the game an i choose to do it by the dailies to get them done an over with for reputation purposes. i cant sit here all day unemployed.
fresh 90 hunters are soloing it an even read that 85 dk's were soloing it. an i assumed that my lvl 90 bear would get the job done. an i only ran zg for 3 day attempts. nothing to lose any hair over. i have way more harder lower% challenging mounts then that 1%. if you woulda read my post you woulda seen that im not in this for raiding. i dont care to have the best of the best an highest end raiding gear. i didnt do any chants or tinkers cause the gear gets replaced too easily. i got a whole 2 gem socks ..big loss there. some people take this way too serious.

i also skipped the lvl 89 quest zone because i was 90 by the time i did 20 quests into tonwlong

Post by curlymon

168 hours in a week
-40 full time job
-49 for sleep (7 hours is the human norm)
-10 for work transit
-17.5 for eating (.5 hour breakfast, 1 hour for lunch and dinner)
-3.5 for ablution
______
48 hours a week of effective "free time"

... or basically an avg of 6.86 hours of free time a day(14 hours free on a weekend and 4 hours free on a weekday) while holding down a full time job that includes an additional 1 hour of transit both directions.

How you chose to fill your free time is up to you but kindly DO NOT imply that someone who chooses to spend their free time playing a game in a more serious manner then yourself is unemployed.

Post by Thror

wow thror. now theirs the attitude i was expecting!
You think I am surprised? That you got me into a check mate or something? Do you know how many scrubs I meet that post crap like this:
ill link my armory, but i dont wanna read any harsh critcism on how i dont got right glyphs or i shouldnt be doin this or that just cause someone wants to be an elitist jerk.

give me tips or dont say anything at all.

and then when someone points at the clear flaws in their gear, they go all this:
ive got a small time frame for playing the game an i choose to do it by the dailies to get them done an over with for reputation purposes. i cant sit here all day unemployed.

some people take this way too serious.
It's like they are making you in a god damned factory, serial number 001478.

You didn't do any chants or tinkers because you are stupid, not because "you don't take the game all that seriously". I know a great amount of people who do not take WoW all that seriously, but who can appreciate the value of enchants and gems, and instead of throwing half assed arguments about having a job, they spend five minutes in the AH and spend 500 gold on crap that ramps up their performance substantially. "Gear gets replaced too quickly" is also a worthless argument from someone who has seven items with ilvl 463 and doesn't raid and does not run heroics.

You don't take this game seriously? Well, let me show you something, there are people who took your call for help seriously in this topic, and who spent effort to aid you, and you just pretty much pissed on that effort. I sincerely hope noone else is going to spend his valuable time to reply to your "call for help", because frankly, you don't deserve it.

Post by Primehorn

NERD RAGE! lol!
ya know what lookout gave me great advice, an he was the only one that did. i got great dps output from it too. the only thing i got from YOU! was criticism. i dont need ya to quote me on anyhting. ive been playing this game for a number of years and i know i was missing gear enhancements an i know how trivial they can be. im not even gonna bother with this anymore.
#$%^&*bags like you is what i try to avoid in here. an btw thror...your feral tank guide is outta date.

curlymon. i get in 3 hours a day if im lucky. on my off days i make up for it by 10 hours a day, depending on wether or not my gf lets me (yes i know whipped).

Post by Cantoluna

And this gentlemen is exactly why I didnt bother in the first place coming with any constructive critism.. It's obvious that Primehorn rather have us pat his back and tell him it's not something he's doing wrong, it's just the boss that's a bit..errh not a kind lady.

If you had spent 2 of those 3 days you tried to kill the boss getting some gear and putting some effort into your character maybe you could have killed her. Thror's a great guy who spent some of his time trying to help you, but that was more wasted time than playing a game, and I'm sure alot of people here would agree on what he said you should do..

I see you have your engineering maxed out.. Making those tinkers would take you about 10 seconds.
Also you could probably get useful enchants cheap off ah. The small stat upgrades matter more than one would think at first glance.

Post by Primehorn

no thats not it cantoluna. i was just concered mostly for my dps in bear form for my current gear. some classes do way more dps in tank spec. so i was just wondering if i was the only bear( fresh90) that was this low. i couldnt get past the weapons fast enough on for the 3-4th pase transition in tempest keep raid because my dps was too low aswell during cata. but i also wasnt ds geared.

lookout gave me a 10k dps increase advice an i appreciate his tip

Post by Problimatic

I don't really understand how you aren't able to solo the panther boss, but if you are getting to 3%ish maybe try enchanting and gemming your gear? Also what are you using your rage on? If you start losing health use your rage for frenzied regen, and once at a stable health level start using it for savage defense again. Remember to use your on use trinket when you need it, and bears have quite a few cooldowns to use now so utilize those when neccessary. (Also try popping Son of Ursoc before popping renewal for the max heal from it when you are getting low.) Don't use all your CDs at once.

Post by Primehorn

yeah blood i think i just need to work on my cd's a lil bit of tweaking on the very end. i try to use my rage on regen for the most part. i try to avoid maul when its just her

Post by LookOut

Wow seems I missed the fun in this thread!

ya know what lookout gave me great advice, an he was the only one that did.

Thror gave you great advice as well, he just hates handholding and spoonfeeding :p I normally do too, but I have my naive moments...

So yeah, I agree 100% with Thror, you should be doing at least 1 heroic each day (since that gives extra valor points as well on top of the potential gear). If that means you get to do fewer dailies, that won't kill you. But seriously, I have a job (and so does Thror fyi) and I still could play for 6 hours after work if I wanted to (and some days I do :D).

You remind me of how my brother plays. I just leave him be when he's playing (unless he asks a question), and one day I go to check up on him, and I see he's level 81 and leveling in Sholazar Basin! Drives me bonkers. And frankly, this has me equally baffled. Why on earth are you spending your time soloing old bosses when you still have the current bosses to explore? Less challenging? Oh wait ...

One more thing to add (don't worry, it's constructive):

i try to avoid maul when its just her

Don't use Maul, unless you are at 100% hp and rage capped. Believe it or not, but survivability is more important than dps. Whether you use Savage Defense or not depends on the melee damage and how much percentage of the damage you receive is dodgeable.

Guardian solo'ing

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