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Something I never really thought about until the other day regarding the Alliance
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Post by
Monday
Everyone has something they can't be swayed on, Just take a look at everyone defending slyvannas.
Good luck getting those idiots to see reason.
So... two wrongs make a right?
Also, remember when the mods told you not to insult other users?
(note that I am an Alliance fan. I still find your behaviour inexcusable).
Post by
Skreeran
Whoops, accidentally deleted my post. I had said:
That kind of dogma is contrary to wisdom.
A wise person will always change their mind if given good reason.
Everyone has something they can't be swayed on, Just take a look at everyone defending slyvannas.
Good luck getting those idiots to see reason.I like Sylvanas, and I disagree with you on a lot of points about her, but I never claim to have a closed mind about her. My opinion about her Has changed greatly throughout WoW, and I don't doubt it could change again in the future.
Beyond the belief that this universe exists (and even that is simply for convenience's sake), there is nothing that Ibelieve so firmly that no evidence in the world could make me change my mind.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Certainly some evidence can proove it.
But what cost would the horde have taken upon the world? They have more than overstayed their welcome. The horde needs to stop existing for azeroth to be at peace at last.
Post by
Monday
Certainly some evidence can proove it.
But what cost would the horde have taken upon the world? They have more than overstayed their welcome. The horde needs to stop existing for azeroth to be at peace at last.
Except, of course, the Burning Legion could crush the Alliance alone with hardly any effort. Like it or not, the Horde is one of the few things keeping the Legion away.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Really? The alliance was far more of a problem to the legion than the horde. Not only due to military superiority, but since the holy light is rock to the legion's paper.
But as i was saying. I'm a diehard alliance fan, It's confirmation bias and i won't deny it. But it's still what i believe.
Post by
Rankkor
If you weren't a zealot you'd notice that Sylvannas did the same for them in Silverpine, she had them by the throat, she was winning (Liberation forces on the north? wiped out. Worgens on Fenris island? wiped out. Druids to the west? wiped out. Mage town? wiped out. Forces in the burned down village? wiped out. Dwarven Commander and his forces? Wiped out). She forced them to surrender, and if she had wanted to, she could had finished them off. Instead she let them go.
Go ahead and deny that she let them go, prove my point to the rest of the forums and tell me, that she killed them all. Go on, I'm waiting.
Seriously? Darius had slyvannas at his mercy
, You never really remembered did you?
Slyvannas was getting her ass kicked and kidnapped Darius's kid and wimped out of it.
He had to surrender or his daughter DIES. How do you call that morally superior? Slyvannas basically held his kid hostage while she was at death's door.
Ok, here is your last chance. In case you forgot, a debate is a Give-And-Take exchange. You can't expect to say something without giving something in return, by which I mean, providing proof for your arguments. You can't just say "Varian wounded sargeras before broxigar did" if you don't have anything to back your words, else you just look like a buffoon.
So I'm gonna take the actual time to provide with plenty of evidence for my argument, and if you wanna prove your words are backed up by anything other than fanaticism you will do the same and provide PROOF for your BS.
If anyone is in the wrong here, is you. The alliance was LOSING on Silverpine, and here is why:
Their Forces in the rear?
Gone
, Their Reinforcements from Fenris Isle?
Gone
, Their Mage Reinforcements from Ambermill?
Gone
, their SI:7 Assassin Regiment on Pyrewood?
Gone
, their Wildhammer dwarf Reinforcements? General
gone
and Ground Infantry
gone
.
In fact, during the final quest
if you actually bother to PAY GOD-DAMNED ATTENTION
, you'll notice that the ONLY forces the alliance has, are the Gilnean Liberation Forces, and the Bloodpack Berserkers. That's it. THAT'S IT.
Against the Orc Corsair Regiment, the recently resurrected Ambermill mages, the Forsaken Bulk of the army, ect.
SHE WAS WINNING!. And the only reason she chose to kidnap Crowley's daughter, was to prevent unnecesary losses on her side. And here is the kicker, here is the big part you continue to ignore, and blatantly disregard:
after she won...... SHE LET THEM GO ALIVE AND UNHARMED!
I'm sorry, maybe that wasn't clear enough for you? I'll repeat it:
after she won...... SHE LET THEM GO ALIVE AND UNHARMED!
Clear enough this time?
She won, and after winning, she let them go ALIVE!
now your turn. Explain to me, o wise one how exactly was her "getting her ass kicked". Because as far as I remember, the only defeat the forsaken suffered, was during the segment inside gilneas, where the 7th Legion Reinforcements caught them by surprise, and forced them out of the country.
However, the key mistake the alliance did, was that after securing Gilneas, they moved into Silverpine, where they suffered a crushing defeat, allowing the forsaken to not only secure their borders, but mobilize their troops back into the gilnean peninsula, which is why the entire region is even on this day, in a stalemate between both sides.
Other than getting expelled intially from Gilneas, and 1 surprise attack on the Deep Elem Mine, the entire forsaken Campaign on Silverpine was one victory after the next.
Your move.
if you even dare that is.
Post by
Rankkor
Really? The alliance was far more of a problem to the legion than the horde.
And yet the only person to have ever wounded the leader of the legion was an orc.
Who oneshotted the most powerful pitlord to have ever lived? an orc.
Do recall that the horde is more than just orcs, most of the horde races are native to azeroth and have as much reason for living than the rest. Hell, your lovely alliance wanted to wipe out the Bilgewater cartel goblins simply because they wanted to have "no witnesses" to their black-ops assassins kidnapping Thrall who was on an envoy to actually save your asses.
Post by
Skreeran
Woah there, Rank. Take a deep breath and chill out a bit. We don't need this to get locked.
Post by
Rankkor
Woah there, Rank. Take a deep breath and chill out a bit. We don't need this to get locked.
Its kinda annoying to me when someone blatantly says whatever they want and think they can get away with it.
There, I've made my case, I got nothing more to say until he repplies, if he even dares. I'll tone down my language (and edit the post acordingly) but the evidence stays.
getting her ass kicked my foot.
"all of the horde needs to be put to the sword"
And after words like these he still denies fanaticism.
Post by
Skreeran
I understand, but the best wary to respond to antagonism like that is to report it and respond calmly and rationally, or to ignore it and move on. I hate to see threads get locked because of flaming.
I wish I could participate more actively in the discussion myself, but in my current situation that's not possible.
I am working on a couple essays, though, that should deal with several of these topics.
Post by
Rankkor
Well, my response was pretty rational (albeit, not calmed at all >_>), I listed all the compelling overwhelming evidence that supports my claim. I can't do anything else.
Ohh and I'm looking forward to reading that Essay. What's the topic(s)?
And more importantly, when are you getting back to wow? T_T You've been sorely missed.
Post by
Skreeran
My first essay will focus on the Blood Elves and their relationship with the Alliance.
And I'm gonna get back into WoW as soon as I can Get home, which will hopefully be next week. Need to level Skreel to 90 for raiding, get my rogue to 80+ so I can farm AQ for the Exalted Harness (last piece I need for my Kor'Kron Elite set), and get Nakresh to 90 so I can PvP with him. Got a lot to look forward too. :P
Post by
Lordplatypus
1: Take a chill pill
2: the GLF and Bloodfang pack still had slyvannas right there. And they're worgen. Do the math, do you think she would survive if they said no?
3: It's notable that the Alliance, NOT the horde solo'd the legion invasion twice (Once in the first/2nd war and once with the nelfs before then) While the horde didn't do much.
End of discussion, i will not be replying again.
Post by
morginar
the only legion invasions on azeroth are:
1. 10k years ago (well of eternity, the sundering and all that)
2. the third war that ended in the battle of mount hyjal with horde, alliance and night elves vs legion and the scourge
3. kil'jaden in patch 2.4 fury of the sunwell but the invasion was stoped before it began.
as for the worgen if they would say no they would be outnumberd, low/no food supplies, without any support from elsewhere, and worgen are still living they need rest/sleep that undead need none the worgen would be exterminated if sylvannas wouln´t let them retreat.
Post by
Lordplatypus
The orcish hordes invasion was an ATTEMPTED legion invasion with the orcs acting as a vanguard, the alliance put a stop to that.
As for the worgen, slyvannas was right there, who knew if the bloodfang and other rebels won't simply rush her and kill her? and you seriously overestimate the forsaken, they are still inferior in almost all phyiscal abilities to any other race.'
Anyhow i think it's for the best i stay off this topic,
it's really a problem with me.
Post by
Adamsm
Look, this is the one thing i never change my mind on.
The entire horde should be put to the sword as soon as possible.And the exact same thing can be said about the Alliance from the Horde perspective.....
Certainly some evidence can proove it.
But what cost would the horde have taken upon the world? They have more than overstayed their welcome. The horde needs to stop existing for azeroth to be at peace at last.
Da hell? Taurens, Trolls, Goblins, Blood Elves and the Forsaken are all actual natives of Azeroth; what the heck are you going on about....
3: It's notable that the Alliance, NOT the horde solo'd the legion invasion twice (Once in the first/2nd war and once with the nelfs before then) While the horde didn't do much.Lol, that's wrong on so many levels it's not even funny....Because hey smart guy: War of the Ancients was the Night Elves, the Earthen, the Furbolg and the
Tauren
/roll eyes
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588688
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Post by
Lordplatypus
I can read you know.
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588688
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Post by
Rankkor
the GLF and Bloodfang pack still had slyvannas right there. And they're worgen. Do the math, do you think she would survive if they said no?
Your delusions are starting to disturb me.
They "had" sylvannas? have you ever even done the quest? They were getting slaughtered. Specially the GLF which was badly outnumbered.
So what that they're worgens? are you implying that by being worgens they're stronger than every other race put together? because orcs are physically the strongest race along the tauren, and not only was there a full regiment of orcs, there was also a full regiment of forsaken, AND a full regiment of newly ressurected mages.
It's notable that the Alliance, NOT the horde solo'd the legion invasion twice (Once in the first/2nd war and once with the nelfs before then) While the horde didn't do much.
Uhuh.
First and Second war was not a legion invasion, the legion sent the horde to pave the way for their arival, and the alliance got their ass thoroughly whooped in the process. First war? Complete and utter defeat for the alliance, which culminated in stormwind falling, and all the human forces retreating en masse to the north
Second war? Defeat on almost all fronts for the alliance. The only reason the alliance actually won, was because the horde was wracked with inner conflict due to Gul'Dan, who in the critical moment took well over 50% of the horde's forces into the Tomb of Sargeras and got himself and them anihilated. This gave the alliance the boost they so badly needed to deliver the final blow to the horde, and to this day IS THE ONLY REASON THEY BARELY WON.
This is the reason why for their third attempt to invade, the legion created the scourge, because the orcs were a strong fighting force, but had too much inner conflict among their ranks. The Scourge was mindless and 100% obedient to their leader. And again, on this third invasion, alliance got its ass absolutely kicked. Lordaeron? boom, Dalaran? boom, Quel'thalas? Boom. They would had actually won had Jaina not listened to Medivh and take whatever people she could to Kalimdor to battle at Hyjal.
And as for the War of the Ancients, are you seriously calling that an alliance victory? In case you're forgetting, the alliance didn't existed back then, and the night elves didn't soloed the legion.
In fact, the elves were getting their asses completely kicked, over and over and over again, until they got reinforcements thanks to the Earthen, the Furbolg, the TAUREN, the dragons, and the Demi-gods.
And of course, a time-traveling wizard, another dragon in human form, AND AN ORC!
But of course, in the land of lordplatypus, none of those mattered, the night elves, wearing the alliance tabard, soloed the legion.
/rolls eyes.
End of discussion, i will not be replying again.
Bit of an advice, if you say "I will not be replying again" and then you do in fact reply again, it kinda loses its dramatic effect.
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