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Blazing Skies (Q&A) DERAILED: RELIGUN
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Post by
Lordplatypus
Blazing Skies is a Upcoming War-RP. Preferably Open.
The current state is simple, The alliance, lead by a new silver hand, is launching an all-out attack on Undercity, whether this will succeed, no one knows. This particular RP is around the attempts to gain air superiority over the opposing faction in the days before the battle begins. The current odds are in the alliance's favor due to 3 factors.
1)Superior colhesion: The entire alliance tends to be more united, and cross-racial lengths in the chain of command are easier to deal with compared to the horde.
2)Air power in general, Gryphon riders, Carriers, Gunships, and even the Exodar itself are flying the alliance battle standard in this field of war, the horde's gunships and zepplins will need to pull their weight if they want to survive.
3)Greater focus on this battlefield. Lordaeron is of great importance to the Alliance, being the center of the second war, and symbolic to many of the alliance's members. As a second note, any alliance force in the eastern kingdoms has easier supply routes than those of the horde in the eastern kingdoms.
The horde's advantages are
1)Numbers, the forsaken are nothing if not numerous, and this may allow them to simply swarm ship after ship without heed for survival.
2)Cheap tricks, The horde has shown an unchanging preferance to hide behind weapons like mana bombs and the blight, whether this will tip the odds, no one knows.
Questions apreciated
Post by
Adamsm
1)Numbers, the forsaken are nothing if not numerous, and this may allow them to simply swarm ship after ship without heed for survival.Um....what? The Forsaken are one of the least numerous Horde race; that's why Sylvanas went on a recruitment drive in Cataclysm, and they still aren't the equal to the rest of the Horde races.
Edit: The two most populous races are the Orcs and Blood Elves, with the Goblins coming after that, while the Forsaken Trolls and Tauren all having a much smaller number then those three.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Really? I'd say the "Recruiting" Has changed that somewhat.
Post by
Adamsm
Really? I'd say the "Recruiting" Has changed that somewhat.
Not even close to enough to zerg rush and overwhelm anyone...
Post by
Lordplatypus
Hmmmmm, I'd still personally disagree, it's their numbers that stopped any attacks from the alliance.
You can't seriously say that the forsaken are a match for anything but a gnome man-to-man.
Post by
Adamsm
Hmmmmm, I'd still personally disagree, it's their numbers that stopped any attacks from the alliance.
You can't seriously say that the forsaken are a match for anything but a gnome man-to-man.
......Okay, there's really no point in attempting to argue this; that post right there shows you have no idea at all what you are talking about.
So for any thinking of joining this RP, you can already tell the Alliance is going to win no matter what.
Seriously Platypus, if you want to create stories about the Alliance just walking over the Horde, do so. But don't make RP's where a bias is going to exist, as that means anyone who enjoys RP'ing as a Horde member is just going to suffer constant endless defeats...I mean you even said that anyone who g-mod's is going to have their ship just suddenly crash and they die, and I'm fairly sure any time a Horde player 'wins' a fight you'd call that and kill them.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Look, being abrasive won't help and i really just can't see a forsaken being a good foot soldier, Thats just the fact. Even in WC3 it was pretty obivous that the undead were fragile and relied on numbers aided by necromancers.
This is what i see the forsaken as.
And ofcourse, theres no such thing as 50/50 odds in war. most battles in the EK have a alliance lean and vice versa for kalimdor. so that's a fact. If you'd like to insult me repeatedly go ahead.
Post by
Adamsm
Simply put; if a Forsaken is not up against a Mage, a Priest or a Paladin, most fighters aren't going to do &*!@.....They Are Dead Bodies. You stab a Forsaken, and you could lose your weapon. You cut the head off, you can kill them. The fact is though, a Forsaken is just an undead human, but without the weaknesses that a living person has...you know, the one where getting stabbed/shot/pierced with arrows ruins your day.
We know you hate the Forsaken and the Horde, but that doesn't mean that your thoughts about them are true. When you are part of a race that can survive pretty much anywhere, you aren't 'fragile' by any stretch of the imagination.
Even in WC3 it was pretty obivous that the undead were fragile and relied on numbers aided by necromancers.I'd suggest going back and replaying WC3 then; the Necromancers were the fragile things in the Scourge army. Everything else? Hard as hell to kill since they were already dead. /roll eyes
Post by
Lordplatypus
I suggest you actually play WC3, A ghoul is by far more fragile than a grunt or a footman, and so on for the abomination, while it has plenty of Hp, it's low armor lets it down. The only true bulky unit in the undead faction would be the crypt lord.
And incase you actually checked, i said there would have been a horde invasion of darnassus from the seas at this exact time, theres a overall storyline here that your ego won't let you admit.
Mage, a Priest or a Paladin, most fighters aren't going to do &*!@
How can you be such a case of fanboyism? Really, a forsaken falls to crushing weapons, they don't have the strength to use heavy armor, cut their arms and legs off and they're useless either way.
Post by
470415
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Post by
Adamsm
And incase you actually checked, i said there would have been a horde invasion of darnassus from the seas at this exact time, theres a overall storyline here that your ego won't let you admit.Yeah...and I bet you'll have the Horde be knocked away fairly quickly.
How can you be such a case of fanboyism? Really, a forsaken falls to crushing weapons, they don't have the strength to use heavy armor, cut their arms and legs off and they're useless either way......You can say that about any race you know; as for the 'strength to use heavy weapons' any number of the Warrior Forsaken you see running around would dispell that idea. The fact is though, it's a lot harder to kill a Forsaken then it is a human; you can disembowel a human or take off a limb and just wait for the blood lose to kill them...do that to a Forsaken or even a Death Knight, and all you get is the corpse still trying to kill you, since that doesn't do squat.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Yeah...and I bet you'll have the Horde be knocked away fairly quickly.
No, they have the advantage there. No can you stop being so abrasive and conceited?
.....You can say that about any race you know; as for the 'strength to use heavy weapons' any number of the Warrior Forsaken you see running around would dispell that idea. The fact is though, it's a lot harder to kill a Forsaken then it is a human; you can disembowel a human or take off a limb and just wait for the blood lose to kill them...do that to a Forsaken or even a Death Knight, and all you get is the corpse still trying to kill you, since that doesn't do squat.
Keep making up excuses, theres game mechanics and then there's lore, and even game mechanics state forsaken have low str and sta. A single blow from a maul or a warhammer would shatter a forsaken's bones far easier than any other being, but your inability to accept that the forsaken are partially rotten and infact constantly rotting means you will never be swayed.
Post by
Adamsm
If you say so....but really, every single thing you say is the same for all other races. But if you want to ignore the Undead aspect that's your priority, but don't expect the rest of the board to use your version of what a Forsaken is....and really, let's be honest, you'll see it as a G-Mod and will Ship fall anyone who uses a Forsaken properly.
Post by
Lordplatypus
I'm the one ignoring the undead aspect?
Rotten meat and bones tend to be compartively fragile, and hence easier to break. ADMIT THAT.
Just be logical for once and stop reiterating the same lines over and over.
EDIT: Just to get to stop attacking every word i say. this is what is see for the forsaken
Pros
Replacable body parts
Can be repaired
Don't need rations
Cons
Fragile
Vulnerable to Holy light
Vulnerable to having the dark magics dispelled (If we really want to get into it)
Physically weak
Post by
Adamsm
Rotten meat and bones tend to be compartively fragile, and hence easier to break. ADMIT THAT.
In reality
But as this is the World of Warcraft, where the dead bodies are being kept 'alive' through necromancy, and you see full armoured Forsaken Warriors as well as the Death Knights moving in all plate, the idea that they can't hold it up is laughable and stupid. The fact is, the Forsaken are the race on Azeroth with an inexhaustible stamina(since you know, they don't have to breath, eat, or relieve wastes products), can survive in environments that would kill a living being(you know, such as being able to walk along the bottom of rivers and lakes and come up as a surprise attack without needing air), and of course the fact that they don't feel pain at all unless it comes to the Light(even the attacks from a mage are an inconvenience since they can burn/freeze the body but the Forsaken doesn't feel pain from it).
The fact is, what you 'see' isn't anywhere close to what the Forsaken actually are.
Post by
Sparkbolt
Forsaken are by no means Fragile or physically weak. We see forsaken warriors wearing plate armor and swinging around weapons that even there living counterparts would have to train there bodies to use. Also the undead aspect is what makes them stronger not weaker. Unless you take of there head or light them or fire they're just going to keep fighting with whatever limbs they still have. And anyone could have a weakness to holy light depending on who is using it.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Your obession with seeing the forsaken as worgen (Ie. supersoldiers) Is absurd at best, First off, the holy light basically acts as a rock to their scissors, they lack physical power, which is as canon as it gets. and i'm not even going to comment on how the forsaken ROT ANYWAY.
Post by
Adamsm
And yet.....no where in
their entry
does it mention this 'weakness' you speak of.....
i'm not even going to comment on how the forsaken ROT ANYWAY.Yet, that's why they have Forsaken who 'heal' that as best they can. Also, as standard Scourge foot soldiers were Skeletons, applying 'real world logic' to a fantasy thing is stupid; the Skeletal forces of the Scourge, without armour, over ran lots of Lordaeron and High Elven forces like they were nothing...since you know, dead bodies that don't feel pain and all that.
Post by
Lordplatypus
And yet.....no where in their entry does it mention this 'weakness' you speak of.....
Does it mention anything physiologically?
Skeletal forces of the Scourge, without armour, over ran lots of Lordaeron and High Elven forces like they were nothing...since you know, dead bodies that don't feel pain and all that.
As i said millions of times before RAW FREAKING NUMBERS. Every soldier they kill gets added to their number, every innocent, every freaking anything. They swarmed over the knights and paladins of lordaeron and slaughtered the elves of quel thalas due to outnumbering them at every turn.
Feeling no pain is the only advantage an undead has, and it's a small one. A orc in a blood fury is much the same painwise and far stronger, priests can bestow this on anyone, and most imortantly, the forsaken are physically weaker. Stop reiterating your belief they are invulnerabl-oh forget it you'll just keep saying it over and over.
Ok, i give up, whats your demented view of the forsaken? Some kind of supersoldier?
Post by
Monday
Ok, i give up, whats your demented view of the forsaken? Some kind of supersoldier?
Let me try to break it down:
The Forsaken are undead, thus they lack any sort of pain receptors. However, since a large number of Forsaken were raised just after they died, they don't have the weakness of rotting flesh/bones. As we can clearly see in game, they wear heavy armor and wield two handed weapons with ease.
However, they lack numbers, seeing as how they require the val'kyr to raise them from the dead, and the val'kyr can only raise humans.
You seem to have gotten your points completely backwards. The Forsaken are about as powerful, if not slightly more so, as the average human soldier, but they lack numbers that the other races have, since the other races can biologically reproduce, while the Forsaken cannot.
Still with me?
Good.
A orc in a blood fury is much the same painwise and far stronger, priests can bestow this on anyone
A. since when can priests bestow blood fury on people? Unless you're referring to a voodoo priest, I've never heard of this ability.
b. If an orc gets an arm chopped off while in the fury, s/he can and will bleed to death. A Forsaken can lose the arm and keep going, as they have no blood to lose, and they can reattach the arm.
forsaken as worgen (Ie. supersoldiers)
Hrm, do I detect bias? Moving on.
they lack physical power, which is as canon as it gets.
Canon?
and i'm not even going to comment on how the forsaken ROT ANYWAY.
I see no reference to rotting.
Also, on the note of the Holy Light: yes, the Light does destroy them, much in the same way that Fel/Necromantic magics kill humans. This indicates that their powers cancel, no?
In addition: Some Forsaken priests continue to wield the Holy Light. While it is possible for them to use or be healed by the Light to its full effect like any living humanoid, it is accompanied by intense pain, making it require notable willpower to suffer through. Though painful, this does not cause any actual harm or damage on their undead bodies, even over long periods of time.
Respond to this. I dare you. I also dare you to back up your reasoning with sources.
You probably can't. But I dare you.
Edit: Oh, and let me end with stating that I am an Alliance fan and have been since day 1. However, your attitude is incredibly stupid and paints all Alliance fans in a bad light.
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