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Blazing Skies (Q&A) DERAILED: RELIGUN
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Post by
Skreeran
.... High Elf priests were around LONG before they teamed up with humans. Or should I point you towards the SUNwell?
And Blood Elves got their light from the Naaru, if anyplace. (Absorbing it and bending it to their will)
And the Night Elves get their 'light' from Elune, and have for MILLIONS of years before humans even existed.Well, remember, the Blood Elves all used to be High Elves. I doubt they all completely abandoned their religion when they became blood elves. While Blood Knights mainly absorbed power from M'uru, it stands to reason at least a few of them could still channel natural light as well.
Post by
Adamsm
Blood Knights got their power from Mu'ru, but the actual Priests were still using the ideals of the Church of the Light; at least, back then they did, not sure how much of that has changed since.
Post by
morginar
Most sin'dorei priests lost faith in the light thus used Mu'ru to regain such powers and create blood knights... Im sure that there are few sin'dorei who still worship the light and that some who Used Mu'ru to get power has started to worship the light.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Lordaeron was the home of the Church of the Light, influencing both Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas with its teachings.
No one knows how the Church was founded, and no one remembers when people first discovered the Holy Light - or were discovered by it. In a time prior to the First War, humans began preaching about the Holy Light; explaining that it is a great and benevolent force that sought out mortal spirits interested in helping others and protecting life.
All current evidence points towards humans introducing the light to the other races.
Take for example how the SUNwell was an arcane fount.
EDIT:
Priest of elune have exsisted over 10k years...
Trolls also have priesthood in their ancient empire...
Elune is not the Light. Different religon.
Same with troll death gods.
Post by
Monday
Take for example how the SUNwell was an arcane fount.
Sunwell is not an arcane font, nor is it just a place of worship. It's a mix of all.
Post by
Lordplatypus
The Sunwell was a fount of mystical power
The well's potent arcane magic
It's generally treated as an arcane power source, much alike to the orginal well of eternity.
Post by
Monday
This restores the Sunwell using the energies of M'uru, returning the blood elves' "fount of power." The Sunwell's new energies are derived from both the arcane and from M'uru's powers of the Light
Post by
Lordplatypus
That still actually implies the old sunwell was a arcane source, hence m'uru empowering it gave it holy energies.
Post by
Skreeran
Gonna have to agree with Platypus on this one. I don't think the Sunwell had any religious implications before 3.4.
Post by
Adamsm
I don't think the Sunwell had any religious implications before 3.4.
Well other then a location for the High Elves to meditate and consider the questions of Magic and the Universe. While it's true the Sunwell wasn't treated as a church, it was still a sacred location to the High Elves, which they share with the Night Elves when it comes to the Moonwells and the like. I admit it has nothing to do with the Church of the Light, but for those Elves who didn't follow the ideals from outside the lands, the Sunwell was the most sacred and holy object in all of their lands.
Edit: And I'm still waiting for the Gnomes to create the Church of the Grand Idea for their Priests and eventual Paladins; hell with what the big people use, the Gnomes need their own!
Edit 2: Also, on a different note: Unlike other threads, you can't actually derail a Q&A, as they are all about talking about pretty much everything and anything under the sun in addition to the RP at hand. Just look back over any of the major Q&A topics, and you'll see discussions about the main story, about computers, about books, movies, music and so on and so forth.
Post by
Skreeran
The Open RP Q&A has actually become a full on recycling bin for L&RP... :P
Post by
Lordplatypus
the DERAILED tittle is more for @#$%s and giggles than anything else.
Church of the grand idea. Wait, a CHURCH OF ATHEISM? FREAKING GENIUS!
And while yes the sunwell was a sacred object, it was not a holy object in the most literal sense.
A holy object would imply holy (As in light-based) magic as opposed to arcane, elemental and natural magic.
EDIT: forgot about shadow magic.
Post by
Adamsm
A holy object would imply holy (As in light-based) magic as opposed to arcane, elemental and natural magic.Yeah....maybe on another world, but not in Azeroth; there are a lot of sacred holy locations to the Priestesses of Elune after all, and they have jack squat to do with the Church of the Light.
Hell, it's the same thing here on Earth; a place can be holy to a specific religion and 'unholy' to another.
Edit: Heck, from personal experience, I've found a few untouched glades while out hiking that I would be more then happy to consider holy spots, whether anything religious had actually happened there or not.
Edit 2: Church of the grand idea. Wait, a CHURCH OF ATHEISM? FREAKING GENIUS!No, the Church of the Grand Idea is a church built around the ideals of the gnomes; that knowledge and technology are at the forefront and they are what the Gnome Priests and eventual Paladins should be focused on, rather then a belief in that hokey Light business that the lesser brained races are so enamoured with.
Also,
Atheistic Temples/Churches already exist.
Post by
Atik
Wait, a CHURCH OF ATHEISM? FREAKING GENIUS!
Well, the technical definition of Atheism is "without a god", just like Monotheism is "With one god" and such.
For that reason, a church of Buddhism or similiar religion would be a church of atheism.
*ends nit-picking mode*
Post by
Lordplatypus
Yeah....maybe on another world, but not in Azeroth; there are a lot of sacred holy locations to the Priestesses of Elune after all, and they have jack squat to do with the Church of the Light.
Hell, it's the same thing here on Earth; a place can be holy to a specific religion and 'unholy' to another.
Edit: Heck, from personal experience, I've found a few untouched glades while out hiking that I would be more then happy to consider holy spots, whether anything religious had actually happened there or not.
Holy vs. Sacred.
Holy implies holy magic. Elune is some sort of, oh how do i put this? Arcane or shadow magic. (The moon). Thats what i was saying.
Holy=/=Sacred.
Holy=Light (Holy magic=Light Magic)
Sacred=Religious
Post by
Adamsm
So then why can't the Sunwell be a Holy place to the High/Blood Elves, even if it's not connected to the Light? I think you are just too focused on specific version of the terms, rather then looking at it as a whole: Moonwell, Sunwell, the Exodar, a Naaru, the Loas, the Ancients, the Ancestors, the Titans: All of them are sacred and holy to their specific races, whether it has a thing at all to do with magic.
Post by
Skreeran
Also,
Atheistic Temples/Churches already exist.
And, not to derail it any further, as an Atheist, I find those very silly... :P
Post by
Adamsm
Also,
Atheistic Temples/Churches already exist.
And, not to derail it any further, as an Atheist, I find those very silly... :P
/shrug You may find it silly, I find it amusing, but they do exist lol.
Post by
Lordplatypus
What i'm saying is holy......oh forget it this is just gramar forsaken.
yes, most pointless godwin's law case ever
Post by
H3Knuckles
So then why can't the Sunwell be a Holy place to the High/Blood Elves, even if it's not connected to the Light? I think you are just too focused on specific version of the terms, rather then looking at it as a whole: Moonwell, Sunwell, the Exodar, a Naaru, the Loas, the Ancients, the Ancestors, the Titans: All of them are sacred and holy to their specific races, whether it has a thing at all to do with magic.
Personally, I think Platypus' idea of treating them as discrete terms in the context of Warcraft is a good one. I'm all for clear language, and since "Holy Light" is a specific thing distinct from Elune worship, Sun worship, etc, then I think as a matter of convenience it is preferable to reserve "holy" to the Light and use sacred as the generic term for things of religious or spiritual significance.
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