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NERF WARRIORS? Am I missing something?
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Post by
Ikhanaton
Taste for blood.. really? Could they just rename it the target dummy ability, that is the only thing its useful for. How about just getting rid of that ability all together. Name one other class that has an ability that is 100% based on luck. Oh, WoW, I got lucky, let me hit this button and do a 300k heroic strike, hope I get lucky again soon... Seriously? This is what Warriors have become?
30% chance, and 99% certain the percentage is alot lower than that, on top of that, that chance x5 in row. Not a mathematician so i'm not going to try and figure out the odds of getting 5 stacks,. I do know one percentage, that ability as of now is 100% useless.
As for arena, certain stages certainly benefit specific classes, bridges that players can port up and down from, druids knock you off platforms and pole hump, I can't begin to name all the abilities. Regardless, if your going to give these VERY VERY strong trickeries to these classes to allow them to slip away, and strong CC to take warriors out of the game in certain comps, then I believe if we catch them they should be penalized with us either having more damage, or having an ability that stuns them in place for a longer period of time, without them being able to invis and run away and kite all over again. Note: There are no arena stages that benefit warriors, only stages that are less beneficial to your opponents, go figure.. so again, cross your fingers warrior.
And casters complain... "Well, If we finally get away from warriors, they should not be able to heroic throw and interrupt." My argument is the same, If we finally catch our kiter, they shouldn't be able to invis and get away, and continue to kite again and again. Or just run around a pole in a circle over and over, what fun is that. Maybe put diminishing returns on the amount of times a person can run around a pole, lol, its pitiful. Sure, with the right comp, and a really skilled player, catch them once they may die, unfortunately, for 95% of warriors this isn't the case.
And not all warriors want to run with a holy paladin or resto druid season after season, it gets old. That's what our class is based on, those two comps, more specifically, Holy paladin alone, I am sure there has been more arena testing on that class comp than any.
If Taste for Blood is the route Blizzard chooses to continue down, then make it automatic every 6 secs, automatic stack, instead of 30%, give us a fighting chance,.
You know, warriors are in dying need of a new ability to cc. Perhaps picking up a player and throwing them a far distance, sort of like druids knock back. Or maybe a berserker rage, where we get a 50% speed increase for 20 secs.
Players will always complain that warriors are OP. Those are the ones that do not know how to make a fool of what this class has become.
I am not sure what the answer is.. I am certain there is more than one. I have played since December of 2006, over 400 days played. I have never been so frustrated with my class, the only class I play, warrior.
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Post by
Ikhanaton
You are talking in very general text. You obviously do not have much specific knowledge of the class.
Avatar is being changed, taking that freedom away, which is good. It is a warriors main ability in PvP, and I believe Blizzard realizes that it's a ridiculous ability. To run free from CC for 15 seconds once every 3 minutes, boring. Give us an ability we can continue to use.
As far as your knowledge on TfB, an insane amount of damage from one ability that isn't even on CD as you say?. Try stacking it more than once in a PvP situation,. You obviously never played a warrior, armoury your name and nothing. So who's the troll?
Look,
Mage/Mage is rocking 2's right now for a reason. Hunters are owning for a reason. Shadow priests are thriving right now, druids are all up and down the twos ladder,.
Do you know why? The answer is simple, there is more CC in the game right now than mobility allows for.
And my main point stands, . Casters complain the warriors should not be able to interrupt from range. "If we get away we should be rewarded"
My argument is that, you already have so much CC and MOBILITY, if you cant get away, YOU FAIL!
Why not just ask blizzard to play your class for you too? Not to mention you have several bridges/poles and many other advantages in arena stages,.
Warriors need more mobility, CC, or something.
Now, on the other hand. Warriors that choose to play with resto droods, holy paladins, or resto shamans, they can be good, because their partner can make up for the loss of mobility that we lack. A paladin can use hand of freedom, and stuns, a shaman can hex and we all know druids are kings of CC, with spam cyclones and roots. However, let me just say that finding one of those classes that actually know how to do wtf they're supposed to do is very rare. Which is why good healer/dps teams are based solely on their healer, a good healer can take 75% of any DPS they want and run to a high rating, it is what they bring to the table, not the other way around, I have studied the twos ladder for enough years and ran with enough elite healers to know this.
Warriors shouldn't be built around that, and as of now, at this very moment, a warrior is built around their class comp, around what can be brought to the table from healer/CC/mobility classes to endow us with a piece of what they have for brief periods of time so that we may prevail, however, we are dependent on those specific roles to help us, the only class that depends on others so much for survival.,
Look at the two's ladder, how many double dps Warrior teams do you see that are doing well? Now look for any other class. Alone, warriors die. Solely based on class comp, and because our counter partners bring a lot to the table that boost our class, and in some cases make us unstoppable, again, a holy paladin with freedoms, or resto droods with crazy cc, we are penalized with even more nerfs? Based on class comp? Some of us choose not to run those comps. You know what will happen?
This is what will end up happening. Warriors will get nerf'd, and those counterparts will get a BUFF, to keep the warrior dependent on running arena with those certain comps. True story.
I will not resort to name calling, as you started your rant of what seems to be dug up info you googled with 0 information on what anything really does, moreover the warrior, you could have just started your reply with "Hi, im a troll"
So, in that, level 22 paladin.
"Signs and symbols for the conscious mind, and if your not a warrior you get left behind."
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138583
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Post by
Ikhanaton
Not going to spend much time on this. I posted my topic, my points as I feel were made. And your responses are clearly in troll form.
1.
The first thing you said was that I didn't give an argument, I am not here to argue, just here to give my feedback, and I believe I did that.
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You were wrong about the warriors only having the two specific nerfs you named. Figure it out for yourself, not here to teach.
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I really don't care how many posts you have, show your toons name, or be hidden, as you chose, for some reason? w/e
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mage/mage statement , rocking in general, is not talking in general, again, you would have to have knowledge to understand. not here to explain, or argue.
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I don't recall saying hunters were gods of cc. Hmm, if that helps this 'argument' your having, so be it. Let it ride.
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You said 'Interrupt is one thing. Silence is the other thing.' , yeah, ok........
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Your caster mobility 'argument', ok... yeah.... believe your talking in specifics there.
8.
Again, I don't recall saying we need more stuns disarms and fears.
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You said "Healing (and hybrid healing) and cc is huge in this exansion." - Yes I agree, and that is the main part of, as you say 'my argment',.
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A good healer can take 75% of any dps to a high rating, warrior or whomever. It is truth, back to the lack of knowledge thing on this, as you say, 'argument'
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You said "What? You play so much and you just now figured that every class owns better if they got a pocket healer? Warriors in specific?"
Again, I don't recall saying that, however, if I did it is not necessarily the truth, I would never say that havnig a pocket healer allows every class to own more, in fact, I might suggest just the opposite in some cases. Some Double DPS comps own faces, an example would be, Mage/Mage. That text was brought up in my post above, scroll up to read.
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You said "Healer comps are always better than double dps (unless we talk hybrids, because hybrid healing is op in this expac). You cant be serious comparing apples to oranges and basic all discussion on that. Game isnt balanced around 2v2 and certainly not on double dps comps (since healing is so huge)"
Again... Back to the Mage/Mage thing, not here to teach you. Just stating facts. However as I continue down this list, I am getting quite a laugh, rofl. moving along.....You say "Heal comps are always better than double DPS?" really? ok... If you say so, ALWAYS eh? always.... =)
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You said "Like every other non hybrid class unless the opponent is bad and you can pull swifty/reckful/bajheera/name any other known warrior on them.
This game isnt balanced around 1v1 and certainly not on 1v2."
I have played with a couple of them, including Swifty over the years. Ill keep what I learned there to myself. next.
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yeah, not balanced where I would like it to be balanced at, your right. ok, score 1 for you. lmao
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You said "you do not understand my logic' - Yes, I know, Its quite obvious.
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You were under the impression I started this post? hmm, did I? Or did you get your impression from some source i'm not aware of?
Let me just say this, you sure do have alot of posts. Quite a troll in your days eh? roflmao
Also, you must be a GREAT warrior, I would be very interested in your toon and your arena rating,.
because it sounds to me by your 'argument' that, you are happy with all these nerfs, your admission, yeah, warriors are OP, bring on the nerfs! right? lmao, thats what I get out of your 'argument', what other point are youmaking besides you think warriors need a nerf, because were def OP, and you as a warrior, are too powerful right now, and you admit it, hahah.
Your 'argument' at least with me, ends here.
Post by
jefflovealex
Stop feeding the troll. The moment he said "Stating facts" when he's discussing the problems with warriors is evidence enough. This chaps claiming he doesn't have enough crowd control elements or enough burst.
Post by
Ikhanaton
I must not be aware of the definition of a troll? I thought a troll was when someone tries to argue with a person no matter what they say or do. yeah... I am trolling my own new topic, intelligible statement.
I created a post to give my feedback, as I see it. You answered merely to argue my feedback, without giving any of your own. You can armoury my name and check my toon, I have no issues, I have been 1800 this season. I am doing 80-100k single target dps in PVE. I am not afraid to post my toon, I do not hide behind an alias.
I said how I feel. And alot of people are complaining about taste for blood, there is no question, it needs tweaking.
Then a person claiming to be a warrior basically says, yes, I have made all my posts in the warrior forum, at least the majority. And goes on to say, warriors are too powerful, we need nerfs. I find this comical. Comical that even if we were too powerful, a warrior would say, NERF US, bring it on! Which is the basis of his 'argument'.
Yeah, I am a troll for making this post, then defending it from a warrior who claims our nerfs are legit. brilliant.
I am in awe of how good of a warrior you are, its just too bad I cant armoury you and check that 2200 + rating, I know your annihilating everyone you play.
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138583
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Post by
Ikhanaton
cute. your warrior is not even level 90. as I assumed.
your quite a character. This will be my last post on this topic, no matter what you say or do to try to TROLL me in for more. Its attention seekers like you that created the word. I figured I would get good feedback from the warrior forum. I managed to get your analysis, thankyou.
All your feedback and input on the matter was really helpful.
Ill continue to work on my toon, .. Oh by the way, level 90 warrior stuff, .. you wouldnt know nothing about that.
I know enough elite players, I have been around a long long time, and have many friends in the game, so trust me, I know my class inside out. My point of this topic was to state my opinion as I see things, hoping for feedback, good or bad. You gave zero.
You know everything, and as you said, you already stated what you thought should be changed to warriors , and SNAP your fingers, they are doing it. I hope whatever you decide in the future is good for our class, our future is riding on you, level 86 warrior.
again, future TROLL attempts wil not draw me back in. imma get out while I still have a little bit of sanity for the day.
Each time I think about posting new ideas on this site, I will reflect back on this conversation before I hit that submit button, and my posts will prob continue to stay at 5, a noobie to forums, and you my friend, are a PRO. <<-- thats a compliment, a forum pro. keep up the good work.
Oh by the way, Mage/Mage is ranked #1 on bloodlust at 2237, and very very high on several other ladders. So much for your no chance against healer / dps...
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Post by
Piz420
TLDR
I don't PvP but I know it takes mad skill to pull off a 5 stack TfB HS crit. If you survive that long to pull it off, then you are gold. It dosn't happen automatically....
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138583
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Post by
robwinkky
Damage with 2-3 stacks in PVP is nothing awe inspiring. People only complain about the 5 stack crits, because that's what they see on the interwebz. If you're able to achieve a 5 stack in 2's or 3's I am really impressed. There is no need for a warrior nerf on TfB, it's too damn rare for those big 5 stack crits.
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Post by
Lordplatypus
Name me one ret that heals better than in Cata.
Go ahead.
Try
hybrid healing is op
No, ranged burst is what this expac was about.
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