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Post by
Lordplatypus
How can you justify what the sunreavers did? They had a full-out military rebellion you call fighting back when THEY WERE ONLY BEING TELEPORTED. They ATTACKED FIRST. Anyone you saw the covenant taking?
All i saw were guards holding prisoners while a terrorist ran at them and killed them.
The ones that don't fight back were taken to be imprisoned.
Lethal force is reserved for the ones who fight back.
Incase you don't remember we had assasins in the sewers trying to kill anyone and everyone.
Let me put it this way, In the horde version, you saw the so called "Civillians" alive.
Where did you think the people who weren't Sunreaver down there were doing?
oh wait. Guess what this name implies
Sunreaver Assassin
Post by
Rankkor
How can you justify what the sunreavers did? They had a full-out military rebellion you call fighting back when THEY WERE ONLY BEING TELEPORTED.
They ATTACKED FIRST
. Anyone you saw the covenant taking?
What the f........
Dude, it went on like this:
Silver Covenant: Relinquish your possessions and come with me to the violet hold.
Sunreaver: what? why?
Silver Covenant: Just obey the orders. We are authorized to use lethal force if you dont' comply.
Sunreaver: I'm not going to jail for something I didn't do.
/Silver Covenant attacks.
/Sunreaver defends.
All i saw were guards holding prisoners while a terrorist ran at them and killed them.
Ok first of all don't be an ignorant and wave the word "terrorist" if you don't know what the word means. A terrorist is someone who uses terror as a tool to acomplish their goals. Such as "do what I tell you to, or one school will explode", thus creating a panic to advance their goals.
This classification doesn't applies to ANYONE in the azerothian setting, because people here either just fight to the death, or they don't. They don't use the terror-campaigns that actual terrorists use.
Now that we got that out of the way:
Lethal force is reserved for the ones who fight back.
And to this I ask you, was it wrong for them to refuse to go to the violet hold? dude, 20 years ago, another human sent them ALL to the violet hold, under threat of death, for no reason at all. They peacefully complied, and what did they got out of that? death row for all.
If you are walking on the street and a cop pulls you over and tells you to put your hands up, or be shot, without you doing ANYTHING to deserve it, and you obey him, and then he just tosses you up in prison to be executed in a week, even though you complied, and then you escape, and barely 2 years later ANOTHER COP tells you the same thing, put your hands up and be arrested. WOULD YOU DO IT?
Its their right to refuse to go to jail, and as Vereesa in no uncertain terms says to you "
Compliant Sunreavers will be sent to the Violet Hold. Defiant ones are put to the sword.
"
It is basically "go to jail, or we kill you" what do you expect them to do? go to jail just like 20 years ago and risk being mass executed again? refuse to go to jail and then let the covenant forces kill them? or refuse to go to jail, and then defend themselves against the covenant forces attacking them?
I dunno where you get this bullcrap that the reavers attacked first, JAINA AND HER PEOPLE attacked first, the edict is clear, "Go to jail, or we kill you".
Let me put it this way, In the horde version, you saw the so called "Civillians" alive.
Ok why are you saying "so called", are you implying that they're not civilians?
so their very clear names that label them as civilians are a lie
? you're calling the game itself a liar to perpetuate your own delusion?
And in the horde version we see them alive because the sunreavers were being beaten up by the covenant forces. I may add without the reavers actually fighting bakc, since..... you know...... they're non-combatants.
Where did you think the people who weren't Sunreaver down there were doing?
They were cowering and hiding, what do you think? did you checked the inn? I did, all the human owners inside were hidden behind the tables trembling with fear because they too didn't knew what was going on. The stores that didn't had sunreaver supporters inside, also had humans and gnomes trembling with fear at what the covenant was doing, they just stayed indoors to avoid being caught in the s*htstorm that was going on outside.
In case you don't remember we had assasins in the sewers trying to kill anyone and everyone.
Ohh I remember, in fact, I took great pleasure in killing them
Silver Covenant Assassin
and them too
Silver Covenant Subduer
oh wait. Guess what this name implies
Sunreaver Assassin
So what?
your beloved covenant has them too
You're gonna tell me next that YOUR assassins are holier than MY assassins?
Post by
Lordplatypus
20 years ago Garithos said to Kael thas in no uncertain terms to not join the naga again.
He joined the naga again.
This is the same garithos who lost his family and everyone he knew because he was in quel thalas while the orcs razed his town.
20 years ago, Kael thas led all of those people to join the demon lord kael Jaedan
later on, we killed them in the black temple.
Oh and it happens like this
Silver Covenant: Attention, Due to evidence found by Lady Jaina Proudmoore, All Sunreavers are to be held at the violet Hold.
Sunreavers: TO HELL WITH THAT! ATTACKK!
Silver Covenant: Lethal Force authorized if they resist.
Sunreavers: STILL TO HELL WITH THAT! ATTACK!
Wow? You seriously took the *!@#ty name they gave the Silver Covenant soldiers as real?
All tittles given are stuff your character sees. A horde character, who basically gets spoon fed propaganda and is rearing for rape and pillage would call anything in the alliance anything to justify killing.
They were cowering and hiding, what do you think? did you checked the inn? I did, all the human owners inside were hidden behind the tables trembling with fear because they too didn't knew what was going on. The stores that didn't had sunreaver supporters inside, also had humans and gnomes trembling with fear at what the covenant was doing, they just stayed indoors to avoid being caught in the s*htstorm that was going on outside.
Cowering from who? The Sunreavers going around killing anyone not in their colors.
How the hell are you not biased anyway?
YOU HAVE THE FREAKING BLOOD ELF SYMBOL ON YOUR ACCOUNT
Post by
Adamsm
Okay, both of you drop it, because otherwise this is just descend into personal attacks.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Alright.
Thanks for the reality check there Adam
Post by
Rankkor
20 years ago Garithos said to Kael thas in no uncertain terms to not join the naga again.
He joined the naga again.
Because garithos sent them on a suicide mission. He sent them against 3 batallions of scourge and removed any backup at all. If you are a soldier, and your commanding officer tells you to kill 200 enemy troops with a squad of just 4, and an unaffiliated group offers to help, would you sacrifice your life in vain? or accept their help?
20 years ago, Kael thas led all of those people to join the demon lord kael Jaedan
later on, we killed them in the black temple.
Are we even talking about the same game? when kael joined Illidan it was AFTER Garithos had sent their entire people to be mass executed because they had the audacity of not rolling over and getting killed as he had planned against the scourge.
Wow? You seriously took the *!@#ty name they gave the Silver Covenant soldiers as real?
sure, you took the names they gave to the sunreavers as real. Why are you allowed to do that, yet I'm not?
All tittles given are stuff your character sees. A horde character, who basically gets spoon fed propaganda and is rearing for rape and pillage would call anything in the alliance anything to justify killing.
if you truly believe that crap why were you linking sunreaver assassins as "proof" of them being evil? again, are you allowed to take their names as face-value but I'm not? what hte hell?
Also, all titles to the NPCs in the game are not "what our character sees". That's the name given in the game.
Cowering from who? The Sunreavers going around killing anyone not in their colors.
for the love of god, DID YOU DO ANY OF THE QUESTS? the sunreavers were not attacking anyone, they were defending themselves from teh silver covenant, and the
Sunreaver Citizen
and
Displaced Sunreaver
were not attacking anyone WHATSOEVER.
How the hell are you not biased anyway?
YOU HAVE THE FREAKING BLOOD ELF SYMBOL ON YOUR ACCOUNT
so? you have the insignia of lordaeron as your avatar. Again, why are you allowed to choose the icon of the faction you like, but I'm not allowed to do the same? plus what the hell is your problem with whatever icon I choose to display? if I want to I can use whatever icon I damn well please, that gives you no reason to question my stance, or throw insults my way.
Post by
Berronaxwins
Jaina finds evidence that implicate the Sunreavers and their use of Dalaran portals to aid in the theft. Furious at this betrayal, Jaina mobilized the Kirin Tor, Alliance forces, and the Silver Covenant to purge the Horde from Dalaran. Since Aethas Sunreaver refused to order his people to leave peacefully, Jaina chose to incarcerate them. Those that surrendered were imprisoned in the Violet Hold while those that resisted were put to the sword.
Seems to me like jaina's actions, while rash and quite rough, were completely justified.
They were given a warning, they refused to leave peacefully, then they also refused to be incarcerated.. If they were innocent they should of just complied, resisting arrest is allways a sign of guilt.
Source:
http://www.wowpedia.org/Jaina_Proudmoore
Edit;
Okay, both of you drop it, because otherwise this is just descend into personal attacks.
Very true, this arguement has become to intense lets all calm down please and just agree to disagree.
Post by
Rankkor
Jaina finds evidence that implicate the Sunreavers and their use of Dalaran portals to aid in the theft. Furious at this betrayal, Jaina mobilized the Kirin Tor, Alliance forces, and the Silver Covenant to purge the Horde from Dalaran. Since Aethas Sunreaver refused to order his people to leave peacefully, Jaina chose to incarcerate them. Those that surrendered were imprisoned in the Violet Hold while those that resisted were put to the sword.
Seems to me like jaina's actions, while rash and quite rough, were completely justified.
They were given a warning, they refused to leave peacefully, then they also refused to be incarcerated.. If they were innocent they should of just complied, resisting arrest is allways a sign of guilt.
Source:
http://www.wowpedia.org/Jaina_Proudmoore
O really? I've just found an article that needs some editing.
see here's the magical thing about wowpedia: it can be edited by anyone. Anyone can type whatever they want, however rules of the site state that it has to be backed up by LORE, either from the games, the books, the comics, or anything on the expanded universe. You can't just write whatever you want (technically you can but it must be specficially labeled as speculation, and non-canon until confirmed by official sources)
What happens in the game, 100% counterdicts what that article says.
A: Jaina didn't found evidence that implicated THE sunreavers. She found evidence that someone who's familiar with the Kirin Tor Portal Network created an entry-point into darnassus. That's all she found. The Sunreavers had nothing to do with that, but she just chose to point at them with no proof at all, and refused to even investigate waht happened.
(In reality, it was fanlyr silverthorn a FORMER member of the Kirin Tor who left the order before MoP to join the Reliquary in silvermoon)
B: Aethas didn't "refused to order his people to leave peacefully".
Didn't you do the quest?
Check the dialog man, its right there. Jaina accused Aethas with treason without any proof, Aethas denied the accusations, Jaina says they are no longer welcomed, Aethas very rightly points out that this is their city as much as hers (remember, Dalaran and the Kirin Tor were co-founded by humans and elves 3000 years ago), and jaina just like that freezes him, and places the city in lockdown.
Aethas refusing to order his people to leave peacefully? Jaina refused them the chance to leave peacefully when
she grounded the dragowhawks
and blocked all exists to the city.
So yeah, her article has a lot of BS in there that isn't backed up by lore, or by quests, therefore I'm going there right now to edit that out. brb.
Edit: All done.
Post by
Berronaxwins
You do seem very biased to me mate, sorry but your words are just all in favor of the horde, defending them at every corner.
Everything you have said, done and displayed has been pro-horde and anti-alliance.
Look at your avatar, look at your signature.
Also
Jaina refused them the chance to leave peacefully when she grounded the dragowhawks and blocked all exists to the city.
They had the choice to surrender and go to prison, peacefully. they instead chose to escape, and if they escaped they could then conspire and make further attacks on not just the alliance, but dalaran as well.
EDIT: i just found this on your profile
Horde loyalist forever, long live Thrall, long live the Horde, may we never become slaves to neither Legion, Humans or our own inner demons
It is now confirmed you are COMPLETELY biased to the horde and absolutely refuse to see that jainas actions were, while rough. COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED.
Post by
Adamsm
They were given a warning, they refused to leave peacefully, then they also refused to be incarcerated.. If they were innocent they should of just complied, resisting arrest is allways a sign of guilt.Problem is, last time Blood Elves were imprisoned in the Violet Hold, it was to be executed at the command of Garithos and if Vashj and her Naga hadn't shown up, there wouldn't be any Blood Elves at all alive now a days....if I had that in my past, I sure as hell wouldn't want to go back in there, especially as they were completely innocent of any wrong doings in this case: Again, those were renegade Sunreavers who had broke free from the rest to help out Garrosh's Horde.
Jaina is power mad, and should not be in a position of power in the Kirin Tor anymore, since she's made it abundantly clear she does not have the best interest of the neutral faction at heart and merely wants to continue to blame everything on the Sunreavers(just like she did in Tides of War when it was another traitor who had cost her Theramore).
Sorry Barronaxwins but the only bias here is on your side, as every post here in this thread is Pro-Alliance and Anti-Horde so don't throw the bias term around, since people in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.
Jaina was not justified at all in how she handled the Sunreavers in Dalaran, and she deserves whatever karma she's gotten from this to come back and bite her hard on the ass....because really, she still ordered the attack of innocent civilians in addition to the actual military Sunreaver forces. And yes, killing off Dragonhawks was a move meant to keep any of the Blood Elves from fleeing the city...since again, their history in the Violet Hold would be enough to scare the hell out of anyone, innocent or not.
Post by
Rankkor
You do seem very biased to me mate, sorry but your words are just all in favor of the horde, defending them at every corner.
Not really, didn't you saw the part where I said I didn't not justified what the forsaken did on gilneas, nor what sylvannas is doing with the banshees, nor what Garrosh did on Theramoore, nor what garrosh is forcing the rest of the horde to do.
If anyone here is refusing to look at this from a neutral stance, is you. Just look at these:
Also
Jaina refused them the chance to leave peacefully when she grounded the dragowhawks and blocked all exists to the city.
They had the choice to surrender and go to prison, peacefully. they instead chose to escape, and if they escaped they could then conspire and make further attacks on not just the alliance, but dalaran as well.
Ok make up your mind. First you say they were allowed to leave, and chose not to, therefore they go to jail, now you say that they weren't allowed to "escape", instead they should had all gone to jail FOR A CRIME THEY DID NOT COMMITTED.
You fail to address the main point, the center of this whole piece: THE SUNREAVERS WERE NOT INVOLVED. you give me ONE GOOD REASON why they should had gone to jail for somethnig they didn't do. ALL OF THEM, every man, woman and child, to jail.
Go on, I'm waiting.
Look at your avatar, look at your signature.
What's wrong with my avatar? its an icon, one that happens to look nice. What about my signature? first line is due to the political situation on my country (be very grateful every morning that you wakeup that you don't live in Venezuela, just be grateful mate)
The second line is simply me saying that I miss thrall, and that the horde used to be a lot better under his command.
Third line is personal, and has nothing to do with the game.
Are you gonna go like platypus too and bash my choice in signature and avatar instead of actually refuting my arguments or *GASP* actually bothering to tell me why innocent people should go to jail just because a bigoted witch tells them to?
Also, jaina article, edited.
Post by
Berronaxwins
I agree that the blood elves were quite right to be hesitant and nervous about going to jail, especialy if that had happend in their past but they were given the choice, Jail or Sword. any person with a brain and who isn't completely blinded by honor would of surrenderd.
I disagree that jaina is power mad, she simply wants to protect her people, and rightly so after the attack on theramore.
edit;
Innocent or not, if you're a suspect you go to jail. No arguements, if you refuse you're assumed guilty.
And ofcourse the children would go to jail with their families, how else would they look after themselves? jail isn't a freaking death sentance it is merely a place to be held until further notice, jaina would not just execute those people, she is no murderer.
Ahh.. you know what, screw it. i don't care about the whole Dalaran Fiasco..
i came here and posted this thread for one reason, and one reason only.
Varian says: I was trying to negotiate with the Sin'dorei. I was opening discussions to bring them into the Alliance!
That was it.. i had no idea such a frenzied debate would spark up nor an intention to start it.
Post by
Adamsm
jail isn't a freaking death sentance it is merely a place to be held until further notice, jaina would not just execute those people, she is no murderer.Yeah? Tell that to the Shopkeepers she had killed, the guy trying to get his money out of the bank, those dragonhawks that were killed(Dragonhawks are up there with Hippogryphs when it comes to intelligence), and of course the Sunreaver forces.
Sorry, but I'm an Alliance player myself and I felt sick having to go through and kill the Sunreaver forces; that was without a doubt, one of the chains I absolutely hated this expansion. I hope to god something comes up to finally deal Jaina a massive beat down; this is the second time she's attempted out right genocide on a Horde race, the first time being in Tides of War when she was going to summon a tidal wave to completely and utterly destroy all of Orgrimmar...and as the book says, she didn't give a flying @#$% if she killed innocents, so long as the Orcs hurt as much as she did.
Post by
Rankkor
I agree that the blood elves were quite right to be hesitant and nervous about going to jail, especialy if that had happend in their past but they were given the choice,
it was a BS choice, and they had every right to refuse it, specially as they had nothing to do with what they were being accused of.
By your logic, If a cop goes to your home right here, right now, and puts a gun to your head, saying to get in his car, or be executed on the spot, and you refuse, its your fault, after all "you were given a choice", and if you didn't complied peacefully, then the only one to blame, si you.
Do you have any idea how that sounds? I could give you a hint but I'd rather you figured it out by yourself.
Jail or Sword. any person with a brain and who isn't completely blinded by honor would of surrenderd.
Ohh really? read my above question. Cop goes to your house, puts these on your table: Bullet to the head or Jail. would you roll over? knowing that previously they offered you the same options and after cooperating they tried to kill you anyways? would you REALLY cooperate?
I disagree that jaina is power mad, she simply wants to protect her people, and rightly so after the attack on theramore.
no, the sunreavers were as much her people as the rest of the citizens of dalaran. Problem is, she is angry, and needs to vent on someone because the real culprit of theramoore (garrosh) is beyond her reach for the moment. So she chose to scapegoat the first she could, and it was the sunreavers.
Half the council of six is made of blood elves, and about a third of the entire population of Dalaran is made of elves. People who were as much her responsibility as everyone else. But she is blind to reason, when Varian confronted her, EVEN HE heavily dissapproved on what she did, telling her how he was trying to bring peace with the blood elves (who at this point are almost hostages of garrosh) and Jaina ruined that.
How did jaina reacted? did she apologized when proven wrong? is she even regretful, or remorseful of her actions? nope, she scowled at varian and all but laughed in his face. This isn't even weighting on her concience. Killing innocent men and women, and sending others (children included) to the Violet Hold, and she has absolutely no regrets.
Innocent or not, if you're a suspect you go to jail. No arguements, if you refuse you're assumed guilty.
Ohh really? so if you are a tourist in australia, and then suddenly, an american kills the australian prime minister, would it be fair that ALL american tourists in the country be placed in jail indefinitely? without a trial, without due process, without anything. All your possessions confiscated, your right to leave, revoked, just get in this place, and stay there for as long as they feel like. And all of this without any real proof that it was an american who did it, just the SUSPICION that an american was involved. obviously you must be in jail and if you refuse, you're obviously guilty. Pardon my sarcasm.
It would be one thing to try house arrest while the situation is investigated, or exile, but no, she specifically chose to incarcerate them in one of the most feared prisons in azeroth. don't think that the violet hold is a nice place, do you even know the lore behind it? the kind of horrors that happen behind its doors?
Ahh.. you know what, screw it. i don't care about the whole Dalaran Fiasco..
i came here and posted this thread for one reason, and one reason only.
Varian says: I was trying to negotiate with the Sin'dorei. I was opening discussions to bring them into the Alliance!
That was it.. i had no idea such a frenzied debate would spark up nor an intention to start it.
You came here asking if it would be possible for the blood elves to join the alliance, and just about every living soul in this forum told you the same: There is no way in hell it will ever happen.
Christ, it would be easier to see flying pigs dressed in drag dancing the macarena while riding onyxia, and playing a guitar solo on the corpse of sargeras than see the blood elves EVER joining the alliance again. After what jaina pulled off, they'd have to be pretty stupid to do it again. Why? so that the next time the alliance SUSPECTS they are involved in something shady, without any proof they can be thrown in jail or mass executed? no thanks.
There's nothing more to say about that. If you wanna argue whether what jaina did was justified, or morally right/wrong, I can dance this tango all day buddy.
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Post by
Rankkor
Yo, we mention blinded by her rage as though she hasn't gone off the deep end in Tides before.
Right now, she is perfectly rational. Fell down into the complete monster file? Sure. Crazy? Not on your life.
She just seems so bipolar at the moment I have a hard time picturing her as sane.
One moment she says that she wuvs the blood elves, and that dalaran is going to become a shiny beacon of neutrality between the factions, and the next second she completely over-reacted from what little evidence she found out.
Read the quest, she finds evidence that the portal used, linked to the Kirin Tor Portal Network. That's all she found. Absolutely nothing implicating that the sunreavers acted maliciously, or even knew what happened. She sees a member of the Kirin Tor aided in the theft of the bell, automatically assumes all the sunreavers are responsible, and decides that every single man, woman, and child has to be put to prison, or put to the sword. Not Exile, no investigation, no house arrest. Nada. Suddenly her talks about shiny beacon of peace mean crap.
Look at this bit of her speech:
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: The Kirin Tor has a legacy of abuse.
(A legacy she now perpetuated)
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: Anduin, you know more than anyone, it's important to separate the Horde from its people.
And yet she says to Varian "once horde always horde" while having absolutely ZERO PROOF that the sunreavers aided, or allowed anything to be done. Silvermoon TRIED to get the help of the sunreavers, the sunreavers refused, so Silvermoon acted behind the sunreaver's back. This is one out of many things taht she refused to investigate in her anger.
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: The Sunreavers still operate within this city. Alliance and Horde work together.
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: As long as we stay above the war, then there's hope for the world as a whole.
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: I see our city as a beacon of light, showing the way.
and yet, at the first SUSPICION (not confirmation, suspicion) of foul play, she automatically places them all in jail without a trial, without proof of anything, and without even allowing them to explain themselves.
hmmmm what?
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: If we can trust one another here, then there's hope for the rest of the world.
right, trust, that's rich, because you know, rather than trust the people that have been her allies for dozens of years, she just flipped out at a minuscule hit of a proof.
A rational person doesn't just flip out like that.
Then on the patch 5.2, one of her lines is "
and if you see that traitor Aethas, leave him for me, He's mine
" On in heaven's name is he a traitor? the guy was asked by Lor'themar Theron himself to aid silvermoon AND HE REFUSED because he valued his friendship with dalaran. So is jaina so deep in her own delusions that she actually believes her own BS?
Post by
Lordplatypus
Why is she a monster?
If i were in the same situation.
I wouldn't even given them the choice.
I'd rather just wait until nightfall and raze their quarter while they sleep and have SI:7 come in and clean up the rest.
If aethas were thrown off dalaran after being iceblocked, we wouldn't have the problem of him being taken back by lorthemar now would we?
Oh and rankor? Get your godamn facts straight.
The blood elves who joined the naga were dead since TBC. They were the one in Black temple
Speaking of which i have
slaugther
Transmog Run coming up soon.
Post by
Adamsm
Oh and rankor? Get your godamn facts straight.
The blood elves who joined the naga were dead since TBC. They were the one in Black templeActually get your facts straight; all of the Blood Elves were arrested by Garithos. They were freed by the Naga, and some went home while others followed Kael to Outland.
Post by
Rankkor
Why is she a monster?
If i were in the same situation.
I wouldn't even given them the choice.
I'd rather just wait until nightfall and raze their quarter while they sleep and have SI:7 come in and clean up the rest
What does that says about you?
I sincerely hope you don't mean that, that this is just internet talk from you, and that you're not really serious about it. Because if you are, if you would genocide an entire ethnic group ON A SUSPICION of foul play, then you are a horrible horrible person, and you need some help. Serious help.
Like I said, I'm hoping you're not serious and you don't really mean that. I'd hate to think people like that actually exist outside the realm of fiction.
Oh and rankor? Get your godamn facts straight.
The blood elves who joined the naga were dead since TBC. They were the one in Black temple
Hmm what? You seem to be out of the loop on a lot of stuff, I'd recommend you to read
this
but knowing that you wont, here's a brief recap:
°Blood elves were almost genocided by Garithos.
°Blood Elves escaped dalaran and cut off their ties with the alliance.
°Kael'thas and the majority of the bulk of the military forces of silvermoon travel with Vashj to Outland.
°Stuff happens in outland, among others, he pledges his allegiance to Illidan.
°Kael helps Illidan conquer most of outland, and later on follows him to Northrend to attempt to kill the Lich King. However when Illidan was defeated by arthas, Kael reconsidered his loyalties. (BTW the blood elves that died in this bit, became the "San'layn" the vampiric elves we see in ICC)
°Kael'thas sends one of his most devoted followers, Archmage Rommath, to his people, and imparts what Illidan taught him, to drain fel energy from demons in order to quench their magical addiction. This is also when he gives them the Naaru M'uru, leading to the creation of the Silvermoon Blood Knights.
°Kael'thas returns once more to outland, both to aid Illidan, and to advance his own agenda, at this point, the blood elves are divided into many MANY splinter groups.
On the one hand, we have the Silvermoon Blood Elves, who stayed behind in azeroth, and spent most of vanilla cleaning up, and rebuilding their city. They had absolutely no idea of the horrors that Kael was doing in outland, and once they found out (in TBC, once we reach netherstorm) they are horrified and deny Kael. Specially when Kael betrays them and attacks silvermoon.
Then we have the forces that Kael took with him to outland (which included the majority of the military forces of silvermoon) These forces also split into several sides.
On one hand, most of the senior magi, saw how crazy Kael was becoming and they defected, they moved to Shatt and became the Scryers.
On another hand, Kael'thas betrayed Illidan. See, Illidan was against the burning legion, he knew that Kil'jaeden would have his revenge on him for failing to kill the lich king TWICE, so he prepared his illidari forces to battle the legion. Kil'jaeden simply convinced kael to join his side, and kael gladly did so. So there's the elves still loyal to Kael'thas (these are the ones you kill in netherstorm, in all of the instances and raid of Tempest Keep, on Quel'danas, and on Magister Terrace/Sunwell)
And Finally, when kael betrayed Illidan to Kil'jaeden in exchange for more power, some of his elves remained loyal to the Illidary, these Illidari elves are the ones we see in Shadowmoon valley, and on the Black Temple.
So that makes 4 major groups of blood elves. Silvermoon Elves. Illidari Elves. Scryer Elves. Burning Legion Elves. Only one of these joined the horde. The other 2 are already dead, and Scryers fused with the Aldor to form the Shattered Sun offensive.
See, unlike you, I know I got my facts straight, I don't just spew random crap when I wanna go on a tirade. I actually do my research. It would be too much of me to expect the same of you, but that's just the way things are.
Speaking of which i have
slaugther
Transmog Run coming up soon.
Be my guest, why should I care that you kill the illidari elves? those are traitors to silvermoon who joined a madman in his bid for power. I often do several transmog runs to the Tempest Keep myself. What did I told you about blaming one set of elves for the actions of ANOTHER set of elves? Would you like it if I started to blame the alliance for the horrors that the Scarlet Crusade and Scarlet Onslaught has done?
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