This site makes extensive use of JavaScript.
Please
enable JavaScript
in your browser.
Live
PTR
Beta
Classic
Classic Theme
Thottbot Theme
I can't stand Druids shape shifting...
Return to board index
Post by
Tush
I have played this game looooooong time and I have always hated Druids instant Shape shifting. Why? YOU CAN'T SLOW IT FOR FREAKING 2SEC! For example:
In WG I have always troble to slow EFC when its Druid. Why? Travel, Cat, Travel, Bear, Travel, Bear, Travel... Its anyoing! Also when they are at low HP what they do? Bear form and all def cds and there you have full HP once again... It pisses me off on my Mage too and on my Huntard!
I know you will say that you don't hit hard or something but this has pissed me off about 7.5 years!
This is my solution to solve this problem:
Make them cast the form. 2 sec cast time.
Post by
Icecrush
I wish, druid was never balanced, all ccs got nerfed since wow release and druid is still immune to polymorh in his form have instant shapeshifts heals, huge advantage on other classes in hands of gladiator...
Post by
tankform
I've got a druid and I believe making some sort of casting time for forms wouldn't be a default choice among others, but one thing that would make both druids and rest classes happy is to add an animation for every form, such as worgens have when they shift from human to worgen state. Would be cool for druids instead of just *poof*- I'm a bear *poof*- I'm a tree, etc and would take atleast a global CD to be able to cast your spells. It's a win-win situation, everyone is happy! (might be some whining from some pvp druids, though it'd become a bit more challenging).
Post by
Tush
I've got a druid and I believe making some sort of casting time for forms wouldn't be a default choice among others, but one thing that would make both druids and rest classes happy is to add an animation for every form, such as worgens have when they shift from human to worgen state. Would be cool for druids instead of just *poof*- I'm a bear *poof*- I'm a tree, etc and would take atleast a global CD to be able to cast your spells. It's a win-win situation, everyone is happy! (might be some whining from some pvp druids, though it'd become a bit more challenging).
Nice idea indeed. But how much time would this animation take? 1.5-2 sec Could be nice and if you get stunned while changing from animation you would go back to form where you were before the animation started. GCD could be 2-3sec?
Post by
Terrorshark
Normally I just tell people to stop QQing but them casting HoTs and switching to bear form eliminates any chance of you killing them as a paladin if they have a somewhat higher ilvl no matter how good you are. Drop any HoTs casted on a druid when shifting is my only suggestion.
Post by
charchadonto
I have played this game looooooong time and I have always hated Druids instant Shape shifting. Why? YOU CAN'T SLOW IT FOR FREAKING 2SEC! For example:
In WG I have always troble to slow EFC when its Druid. Why? Travel, Cat, Travel, Bear, Travel, Bear, Travel... Its anyoing! Also when they are at low HP what they do? Bear form and all def cds and there you have full HP once again... It pisses me off on my Mage too and on my Huntard!
I know you will say that you don't hit hard or something but this has pissed me off about 7.5 years!
This is my solution to solve this problem:
Make them cast the form. 2 sec cast time.
it has been part of the druid class, also 2 sec CAST time? do you see an warrior needing to cast a new stance for 2 seconds? or an deathknight for his presence? those are the exact same thing, except the druid one is more visual. and you know what pisses of melee? not being able to catch hunters and mages. jsut becomes something counters you/ or is anoying is not a reason to cripple it.
I wish, druid was never balanced, all ccs got nerfed since wow release and druid is still immune to polymorh in his form have instant shapeshifts heals, huge advantage on other classes in hands of gladiator...
yeah druid has never been balanced, same with practically any other freaking class in the game, and CC hasnt been nerfed, only made worse. polymorph inmunity has been forever and is not going to change. instant heals are either on a one minute cooldown, or with PS which is needed for feral survivalbility. and the shapeshift heal has an internal cooldown. and isnt that much either.
and how many druids do you see at gladiator? other classes have different mechanics that make them better.
I've got a druid and I believe making some sort of casting time for forms wouldn't be a default choice among others, but one thing that would make both druids and rest classes happy is to add an animation for every form, such as worgens have when they shift from human to worgen state. Would be cool for druids instead of just *poof*- I'm a bear *poof*- I'm a tree, etc and would take atleast a global CD to be able to cast your spells. It's a win-win situation, everyone is happy! (might be some whining from some pvp druids, though it'd become a bit more challenging).
while that option would indeed be very good. and very nice, shapeshifting already requires a global cooldown, and mana. not to mention the worgen animation itself. if your in your human form and you enter combat your instantly shifted to worgen. no fancy animation there but poof i'm a wolf. and a 2-3 sec animation on each shapeshift is gamebreaking, both pvp and pve
Nice idea indeed. But how much time would this animation take? 1.5-2 sec Could be nice and if you get stunned while changing from animation you would go back to form where you were before the animation started. GCD could be 2-3sec?
that stunned part already happens, but has such a small window of time that it happens less often then more often. and then please do the same for any other class? make mages need to switch to frost "stance" for frost spells and fire "stance" for fire spells which also take 3 seconds to switch.
Normally I just tell people to stop QQing but them casting HoTs and switching to bear form eliminates any chance of you killing them as a paladin if they have a somewhat higher ilvl no matter how good you are. Drop any HoTs casted on a druid when shifting is my only suggestion. sure if your paladin wont be able to heal during his bubble, which is many times worse.
Post by
331902
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Heckler
For serious -- you come to the Druid forum expecting constructive feedback on your QQ post about how "OP" a
basic
class mechanic is?
Grow up, junior.
If Druids were "OP" there would be many more of us among the elite PvP ranks -- L2P and stop your incessant whining. Here's a suggestion -- next time you get owned, get better. Don't piss and moan about your inadequacies.
----------
That being said, it's nice to see a :"zOMG nerf droodZ pl0x!" thread -- it's been awhile. Keep it up, PvP brethren.
Post by
Tush
For serious -- you come to the Druid forum expecting constructive feedback on your QQ post about how "OP" a
basic
class mechanic is?
Grow up, junior.
If Druids were "OP" there would be many more of us among the elite PvP ranks -- L2P and stop your incessant whining. Here's a suggestion -- next time you get owned, get better. Don't piss and moan about your inadequacies.
----------
That being said, it's nice to see a :"zOMG nerf droodZ pl0x!" thread -- it's been awhile. Keep it up, PvP brethren.
First of all dont tell me to L2P! I have tryed every $%^&ing this last 7.5 years! I can only beat under geared druids...
Post by
Mike
First of all dont tell me to L2P! I have tryed every $%^&ing this last 7.5 years! I can only beat under geared druids...
I die all the time in pvp.... sometimes by single people, mostly by 2+ though.
I think its just a simple PEBKAC ("Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair" ) issue.
PvP is not a solo aspect of the game, thats the exact reason why there are no 1v1 Arenas, because it's stupid. same thing with Dueling... never see people dueling anymore, because 1v1 balance is non-existant.
GROUP UP. KILL THE BEAR. ?. PROFIT.
Post by
Heckler
First of all dont tell me to L2P! I have tryed every $%^&ing this last 7.5 years! I can only beat under geared druids...
Well, perhaps my tone was a bit harsh - I apologize.
My point is simply that your suggestion is an absolute class-breaking change to
all
aspects of the game; and the only reason you want it seems to be because you have trouble stopping a flag runner by yourself or beating a Druid in 1v1.
Even if we accept as truth that Druids are 'naturally overpowered' in those two specific scenarios (which I think is a stretch), they represent such a tiny (and ultimately inconsequential) fraction of the PvP / overall game experience, that your suggestion of crippling the
core
mechanic of the class for the sake of "balance" in
only those situations
seems pretty silly, or at least underthought.
I would suggest that rather than brainstorming ways to cripple the Druid class to make your PvP experience better (as a sidenote, I think you'd get much more constructive feedback on that topic in a non-Druid forum), you should just identify actions you can take to deal with the specific situations you've spoken about -- they definitely exist.
Post by
Strandvaskeren
First of all dont tell me to L2P! I have tryed every $%^&ing this last 7.5 years! I can only beat under geared druids...
Then learn from it and leave those pesky druids to someone else. PVP is all about killing those classes you can dominate and staying well clear of those that dominates you - if you keep going for a class that has given you 7.5 years of trouble, you really do need to l2p.. ;-)
Post by
Tush
First of all dont tell me to L2P! I have tryed every $%^&ing this last 7.5 years! I can only beat under geared druids...
Then learn from it and leave those pesky druids to someone else. PVP is all about killing those classes you can dominate and staying well clear of those that dominates you - if you keep going for a class that has given you 7.5 years of trouble, you really do need to l2p.. ;-)
What did I say about L2P? I'm great against Warrior and Mage but when it comes to Hunter and Druid I'm so dead. Today I was in Random BG there was one Resto Druid. I got him to 1% and then the Bear Form came... 2 sec and he was max HPd... I used all my CDs... It takes 3min Burst again... How is this fair? I could have killed him if the damn form would have been "casted" or "animation"... I just couldnt kill him so I ran away... I'm Rogue and I feel shamed when I have to use Stealth I don't like to stealth, I'm more face to face Rogue.
So I dominate Warriors and Mages but Hunter and Druid dominates me..
But anyways I have tryed everything... I'm so frustrated... And I'm not the only one.
Post by
331902
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
jemaris
Roll a druid - problem solved ;)
Post by
Tush
Roll a druid - problem solved ;)
I rather roll myself down from the cliff.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Hunter can't kill something?
Wait, are we playing the same game here?
99.9% of PvP QQ gets no sympathy because we all know PEBKAC ("Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair" )
Good ol' wetware malfunctions.
Post by
Strandvaskeren
What did I say about L2P? I'm great against Warrior and Mage but when it comes to Hunter and Druid I'm so dead.
Then stick to killing warriors and mages and stay well clear of hunters and druids. If you can't figure that out, it really is a L2P issue.
So I dominate Warriors and Mages but Hunter and Druid dominates me..
Which is perfectly normal, every class has one or two "anticlasses", no class is supposed to be able to deal with all classes.
When I play my druid (resto) in pvp it's pretty much a stalemate if I meat another healer, my damage output just isn't high enough to kill a healer. Classes without healing skill I'm usually pretty good at dealing with, I just keep myself alive, move around to stay out of range and pew-pew them slowly to death. Paladins however have the ability to stun me into next week, so I try to stay well clear of them because I never win.
When my druid has been killed by paladins enough times, I switch to my warlock. I love killing paladins with my lock. Felpuppy eats their buffs, I nuke them into oblivion and when they get to 10% health and want to do the usual bubble+heal I trigger felpuppy's silence and finish the pala off while he wonders why the bubble didn't work, it's hilarious.
My lock is pretty good against most classes, but when I meet a hunter I have the choice between being killed by the hunter or eaten by his pet. I rarely ever win against a hunter, so I stay well clear and leave those for others.
When hunters have killed my warlock enough times, I switch to my druid, find a hunter, hibernate his pet and pew-pew the hunter to death while I keep myself alive.
You're not supposed to be good against every class, if that was the case every pvp'er would be that class. You're supposed to suck against some classes, it's part of the game design. If you keep going up against one of those classes you're supposed to suck against and lose every time, it's seriously time to L2P.
Post by
Thror
PvP is not balanced for 1v1. Nobody cares.
Also, "face to face rogue". Lol.
Post by
Tush
PvP is not balanced for 1v1. Nobody cares.
Also, "face to face rogue". Lol.
Yes. Combat was ment to be weak warrior. Back in Vanilla Rogue had ability which dealed lots of damage and disarmed enemy. This ability could only be used after parry. Also combat had lower cd on Evasion.
Sometimes you need to be F2F when you are rooted and other melee is attacking you. And please don't use "lol"...
Post Reply
This topic is locked. You cannot post a reply.
© 2021 Fanbyte
