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Monday
@Elhonna, I didn't know South Korea was a poor nation, i guess that explains why they have poor military weapons. As rank explained.
South Korea isn't very poor. North is, though.
It isn't poor at all actually.
Some people still mix north and south korea up, strangely enough, I wish they'd just have different names. Like Korea and That Weird Place No One Goes To.
I said NORTH Korea was poor, whereas SOUTH Korea is not. I'm well aware of which Korea is which.
Edit: Ah, I appear to have misread your post. My apologies. I know that South Korea isn't poor at all, but the way I wrote my post is the way I speak IRL, so I can see where the misunderstanding came from.
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Post by
Gone
We have almost 40 times as many nuclear weapons as China, as well as outclassing them in every aspect of the armed forces, including training and technology, with the exception of numbers. China wouldn't start a nuclear war with us without backing from Russia, which they will never have over skirmishes involving North Korea.
Skreeran is trivializing the matter, but MyTie, you're blowing it a bit out of proportion. A nuclear war with China/Russia would be devastating, but NK is hardly the conflict that will spark that.
Post by
Adamsm
Aye, NK isn't going to turn into the next WW3; that's going to happen when the actual super powers decide to start fighting among themselves. It's not like NK has the same set up that WW1 and WW2 did; not a lot of allies who would jump in on it's side, and more likely to just end up with enemies on all fronts.
Post by
Gone
Aye, NK isn't going to turn into the next WW3; that's going to happen when the actual super powers decide to start fighting among themselves.
For that to happen we need to have superpower
s
plural first. I think it was actually one of the top Chinese generals who said China is an economic power, Russia is a military power, and America is the only superpower left.
Post by
MyTie
We have almost 40 times as many nuclear weapons as China, as well as outclassing them in every aspect of the armed forces, including training and technology, with the exception of numbers. China wouldn't start a nuclear war with us without backing from Russia, which they will never have over skirmishes involving North Korea.
Skreeran is trivializing the matter, but MyTie, you're blowing it a bit out of proportion. A nuclear war with China/Russia would be devastating, but NK is hardly the conflict that will spark that.
Again, I don't think that China or Russia are going to jump to the aide of North Korea, or instigate nuclear war with the US to defend them. However, a US/NK conventional war could precipitate the necessary environment for a nuclear war among the superpowers. I'm saying that that is ONE POSSIBLE end of the line event from a war in NK, however unlikely. It's just another thing that is possible to talk about, and reason enough not to trivialize this.
Post by
Gone
We have almost 40 times as many nuclear weapons as China, as well as outclassing them in every aspect of the armed forces, including training and technology, with the exception of numbers. China wouldn't start a nuclear war with us without backing from Russia, which they will never have over skirmishes involving North Korea.
Skreeran is trivializing the matter, but MyTie, you're blowing it a bit out of proportion. A nuclear war with China/Russia would be devastating, but NK is hardly the conflict that will spark that.
Again, I don't think that China or Russia are going to jump to the aide of North Korea, or instigate nuclear war with the US to defend them. However, a US/NK conventional war could precipitate the necessary environment for a nuclear war among the superpowers. I'm saying that that is ONE POSSIBLE end of the line event from a war in NK, however unlikely. It's just another thing that is possible to talk about, and reason enough not to trivialize this.
And I'm saying that nothing short of us launching a full ass scale invasion into their own country will make Russia or China launch a nuclear weapon against us, and vice versa.
The people who lead these countries aren't stupid, they know what nuclear war means. They aren't going to be launching nuclear weapons at us over skirmishes along the border or some collateral damage.
Post by
Skreeran
Of course I'm trivializing the matter. People are going to die. People are going to die in horrible, horrible pain. What else is new? Life sucks for most people, and those who it doesn't for should count themselves among the extremely privileged. African women are going to be raped, African men are going to kill each other, Arab women are going to have acid thrown in their faces, Chinese dissidents are going to be executed, and prisoners in Guantanamo are going to be tortured and nothing is going to change.
I can't change it, you can't change it. Life goes on.
Or it doesn't.
Arguing about it doesn't change anything.
That's why I really don't particularly give a flying feather about what happens in Korea. Whatever happens happens, and there was nothing I could do to affect it in any significant way.
Post by
Gone
No offence Skreeran, but if you don;t care, then why post about it?
Saying things are never going to change is taking it a bit far, things have changed quite a bit over the course of human history. We used to nail each other to pieces of wood and burn each other alive. Discussing things and spreading awareness is the
only
thing that is going to change things.
Post by
Skreeran
Why post about it?
I'm not sure myself. I'm bored out of my mind for one thing. The fact I've been drinking is another.
And sure, it'll change over time. But I doubt it'll change in any meaningful way during my lifetime, and even if it does, we're in the process of killing our planet, so we very might well be extinct in a few centuries.
On-topic though: Of course I care about people dying. I just don't think I have any means to change it. So really the only thing arguing is going to do is make me angrier and kill me faster.
Post by
MyTie
That's why I really don't particularly give a flying feather about what happens in Korea.
Then you shouldn't be in this thread. You should be
here
. Goodbye.
Post by
Squishalot
We have almost 40 times as many nuclear weapons as China, as well as outclassing them in every aspect of the armed forces, including training and technology, with the exception of numbers. China wouldn't start a nuclear war with us without backing from Russia, which they will never have over skirmishes involving North Korea.
Skreeran is trivializing the matter, but MyTie, you're blowing it a bit out of proportion. A nuclear war with China/Russia would be devastating, but NK is hardly the conflict that will spark that.
If I'm not mistaken, the number of nuclear weapons that any of the decent nuclear powers in the world have at their disposal is more than enough to flatten everybody. Having one planet-destroying weapon vs having 40 planet destroying weapons is sorta meaningless, when we're only talking about a single planet, here.
Post by
Gone
China has something like 200 nuclear weapons, not sure of what caliber. The U.S. has almost 8000, including hydrogen bombs. Idk what qualifies as world destroying, I see your point though.
Off topic, I recently read that a hydrogen bomb burns at 100 million degrees Kelvin, that's 5 times hotter than the center of the sun, 20 times hotter than the surface of a hot star. Scary $%^& what we create.
Post by
MyTie
Scary $%^& what we create.
Not "we". It's government. The great benevolent government.
Post by
Skreeran
Scary $%^& what we create.
Not "we". It's government. The great benevolent government.HAHAHA.
Conservatives are so quick to discount all the good things the government has done for us. My family's sole sort of income is a check that comes from the government because my dad was disabled. Were it not for government programs, my family would have starved to death.
Post by
MyTie
My family's sole sort of income is a check that comes from the government because my dad was disabled.
1) This is off-topic
2) The government didn't produce that check from thin air. They may have mailed it to you, but it came from the people. Thank them.
3) You don't care what happens in Korea. You don't belong in this thread.
Post by
Squishalot
China has something like 200 nuclear weapons, not sure of what caliber. The U.S. has almost 8000, including hydrogen bombs. Idk what qualifies as world destroying, I see your point though.
Yeah. 200 nuclear weapons is more than enough to wipe out life in the US as we know it, even if half of those were shot down by interceptor missiles and the like. Nuclear war is not a matter of "we have more/bigger guns than you do", it's a matter of "we both don't want to go down this path - let's find a better way of sorting things out".
Realistically though, China won't get involved if NK do anything first, other than to observe and defend themselves and take on board refugees if required due to proximity. However, my personal belief (with no particular evidence in mind) is that it's not going to go down that path, and it's just posturing for the generals, rather than any particular intent to commit to war. I'll be very disappointed if I'm proven wrong though.
Post by
Gone
Scary $%^& what we create.
Not "we". It's government. The great benevolent government.
Actually the atomic bomb was first created to fight the Nazis. Germany wound up surrendering before it was finished, but we found out later that Nazi scientists were actually frighteningly close to creating the bomb themselves.
The moral of the story is that the knowledge to create these weapons is out there, only waiting to be unlocked by those with the right ingenuity. So as long as it's inevitable that they are going to be out there, I want our government to be the one that has them, especially since we know others will. Do you know how scary this #$%^ with Iran and North Korea would be if we didn't have enough bombs stockpiled to send them into the stone age?
China has something like 200 nuclear weapons, not sure of what caliber. The U.S. has almost 8000, including hydrogen bombs. Idk what qualifies as world destroying, I see your point though.
Yeah. 200 nuclear weapons is more than enough to wipe out life in the US as we know it, even if half of those were shot down by interceptor missiles and the like. Nuclear war is not a matter of "we have more/bigger guns than you do", it's a matter of "we both don't want to go down this path - let's find a better way of sorting things out".
I'm pretty sure I've read that we have the capability of shooting down thousands of missiles. My question is whether or not 200 nuclear weapons going off at any point on the planet is enough to cause the global devastation we were talking about. In other words, if they were shot down over the ocean, would half the east coast still die of radiation?
Post by
Adamsm
Realistically though, China won't get involved if NK do anything first, other than to observe and defend themselves and take on board refugees if required due to proximity. However, my personal belief (with no particular evidence in mind) is that it's not going to go down that path, and it's just posturing for the generals, rather than any particular intent to commit to war. I'll be very disappointed if I'm proven wrong though.
I honestly can't see China weighting on NK's side even if it did go to war; I also doubt they'd let in refugees, unless they were willing to give up their worship of the Great Leader of NK and swap over to the Great Leader of the Reds =P.
Post by
Gone
I also doubt they'd let in refugees
Aye, they already have enough population problems.
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