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Just lost another 30 days off Thats Some Dedication..
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Post by
Rystrave
I don't really pay much attention to my log in count, but I have noticed it go from the mid to high 390s back down to 363, and now 366. I've already gotten my cheevo, so I'm not worried.
Can you get the cheevo again, if you logged in another 365 ontop of your 365 already?
Post by
mineka
Can you get the cheevo again, if you logged in another 365 ontop of your 365 already?
Nope. Not yet. :p
Keep in mind the (n/a) ago on your rep page is entirely unrelated to this consecutive visits issue. That's a separate bug. It should be telling you the correct day/time and will again eventually. In the mean time, click your name on the top right corner and scroll down to the 'Reputation' tab.
That page does show the date/time.
Neither the reputation tab (/user=xxxxx#reputation) on the user page
NOR
the reputation page (/reputation#reputation-history) shows the date/time for me, (n/a) on both.
I think this have been broken for about six months now :c
Post by
Sas148
That's strange mineka. I haven't heard of anyone having the issue on both pages until now. I went and checked your page as well as mine and
http://www.wowhead.com/user=mineka#reputation
shows correctly for me. I could only suggest trying a different browser and see what happens as well as clearing everything on your current one, restarting and then check if it works on at least one of them.
Post by
mineka
That's strange mineka. I haven't heard of anyone having the issue on both pages until now. I went and checked your page as well as mine and
http://www.wowhead.com/user=mineka#reputation
shows correctly for me. I could only suggest trying a different browser and see what happens as well as clearing everything on your current one, restarting and then check if it works on at least one of them.
The one on the user page now works, weirdly enough.
I'm
100% sure
it showed n/a last time i checked.
So thanks for that, it was a bit stressful.
edit: i always refresh my user page 2-3 times to see the counter change, but it is quite tiresome; so hurray !
Post by
Sas148
It actually
was
the other way around previously. When the dev team implemented a fix to one it broke the other.
They're aware of this and are still researching a way of implementing a fix for both. Our apologies.
Post by
DELHunsy
I do not understand why is this not fixed yet. I did not do anything wrong. And yes I want my 200 days back. With my contributions uploading data every day I am "entitled" to get my "Consecutive visits" or you will lose active member here.
Screenshot
Post by
Nooska
Hello, I seem to gone from 310+ days suddenly to 110 days, what is going on with the site?
^Yeah same here, my counter dropped from around 280 yesterday to 78 when I checked this morning.
That would mean that we both lost around 200 days, Hunsy, so I guess it's something global.
When you visit
the
consecutive
day
achievements
, the "My Info" box will show what days we have seen you logged in. We calculate the consecutive days by that list. If there's a day in that list that you missed, but you can prove you were logged in (from a forum post or comment or something else
dated
), tell us what day was missed and link that proof and we can investigate.
Oh and for the "proof";
Screenshot 1
; achievement progress with "missing" day
Screenshot 2
; Reputation pane where a daily visit is logged for same day
Post by
CalaelenDT
I do not understand why is this not fixed yet. I did not do anything wrong. And yes I want my 200 days back. With my contributions uploading data every day I am "entitled" to get my "Consecutive visits" or you will lose active member here.
Screenshot
Linking a screenshot without dates is rather pointless, as there is no way to verify that those daily logins are actually consecutive.
Post by
asakawa
I can't comment on the disparity between peoples' rep tables and the admin rep tables from which the new achievement progress list is taken directly but regarding the lower numbers people are seeing generally this is what happened...
The bug that we have seen over the recent months with consecutive visits basically boils down to the fact that the system was allowing a single missed day. Consequently when someone missed a second day,
that
one became the allowed one and the first missed day became the new zero point. This is why we have seen peoples' count dropping but not back to zero, as one might have expected, but to some higher number.
Fixing this bug has meant that
lots
of people all at once have seen what looked like the previous bug occur because the allowed misses have been removed from anyone's count that it was affecting.
I would theorise that what you're seeing Nooska, and probably others too, is the rep tab that users see is reflecting the old, bugged, way that the consecutives are counted while the new achievement tracker that Erorus added (and the rep table we see on users' admin page) shows the
actual
visits. This is just an educated guess though so please don't take it as gospel.
(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##
Post by
Erorus
Oh and for the "proof";
Screenshot 1
; achievement progress with "missing" day
Screenshot 2
; Reputation pane where a daily visit is logged for same day
The reputation pane shows dates in your local browser's time zone, but not the time zone of our server. This is as it should be, since, apart from consecutive visits, who cares about the server time zone, and there's more to rep than just the visits.
So you missed Nov 12, 2012. Here's your rep log for the surrounding days in the server time zone:
Nov 11 10:58:29am -
Daily Visit
Nov 11 11:44:36am - Upload Data
Nov 11 12:13:33pm - Report Accepted
Nov 11 01:24:26pm - Upload Data
Nov 12 11:58:11pm - Received Comment Upvote
Nov 13 02:11:29am -
Daily Visit
It appears that 2:11am in our time zone is before midnight in yours, which is why it looks to you like the rep was credited on Nov 12.
Post by
Erorus
I do not understand why is this not fixed yet. I did not do anything wrong. And yes I want my 200 days back. With my contributions uploading data every day I am "entitled" to get my "Consecutive visits" or you will lose active member here.
Screenshot
So you missed Jan 21, 2013. Here's your rep log for the surrounding days in the server's time zone:
Jan 20 04:30:37am -
Daily Visit
Jan 20 08:21:50am - Upload Data
Jan 20 11:56:36am - Upload Data
Jan 22 12:10:47am -
Daily Visit
Jan 23 01:51:09am -
Daily Visit
Post by
Erorus
Out of interest, what timezone is used for this, and has it changed? That may explain why my July 21 disappeared when I previously had credit - I know I was out all day (having checked my diary), however I would definitely have checked in during the evening, as I make a point of always checking Wowhead daily for this achievement (and the fact that I previously had credit for that day confirms this, I believe). I would also have been on the previous day, although not necessarily late into the evening, so maybe the reset was at a bad time and I missed out.
However, having previously had credit for that day makes me wonder if you guys have moved what time a day resets at in the process of making changes to this? I'm in the UK so would've been on GMT+1 at the time (summer time), I guess Wowhead goes on one of the US timezones?
Time zone hasn't changed: North America Central Time Zone.
So you missed July 21, 2012. Here's your rep log for the surrounding days in the server's time zone:
Jul 20 05:44:22am -
Daily Visit
Jul 22 11:06:17am -
Daily Visit
Jul 23 12:34:42am -
Daily Visit
Post by
Erorus
I don't have a link, but my Rep Page says
"Daily visit +5 on 2013/02/13"
yet I do not have credit for the day in the Day Tracker.
So you missed February 13, 2013. Here's your rep log for the surrounding days in the server's time zone:
Feb 12 10:14:39am -
Daily Visit
Feb 14 09:49:01am -
Daily Visit
Feb 15 09:50:44am -
Daily Visit
Out of curiosity, what time zone do you have set on your computer?
Post by
Erorus
The tracker has a missed (most recent for the tracker) date of
04Aug2012
. Which should make my current count 280,
not
281;
I don't think our previous counter included the first day, which didn't make much sense to me. If, for example, you missed Sunday, and visited Monday and Tuesday, that should give you 2 consecutive days. So that might be a change from the old counter.
and would change my "Expert Rocketeer" achievement date to
13Nov2012
. These in itself are two different incorrect counts. One adds an extra day that it shouldn't, and the other grants an achievement when it shouldn't have.
Achievements already earned were untouched. I think revoking achievements would upset even more people, and then recalculating those achievements for them would be another thorny issue...
I know, prior to a this bug happening, I was in the 300 realm, with the cursed day fluctuations popping in and out. But now. After the fix. I've lost days, and haven't seen the fluctuation curse.
...
Edit: I looked through my eMails, as this is not the first time I have lost days due to the counters going bad. Back in January, I was getting help from Asakawa over lost days. Back then, the counter dropped me from over 150 to about 50. It was partially resolved, and I've continued ahead with what could be done then. But having this happen again... I'm hoping my days will be counted correctly now and given back.
Let me reiterate that the date recording algorithm (both in the rep table and in our visit table) was working fine, it was just the part that counted those days that was bugged. As askawa explained after your post, the old code would permit a single missed day.. miss another day, and your counter would suddenly notice the old day and jump down. Each day you noticed a counter jump was the day after one you missed.
So you missed August 4, 2012. Here's your rep log for the surrounding days in the server time zone:
Aug 3 12:49:26am -
Daily Visit
Aug 3 02:34:59pm - Received comment upvote
Aug 4 05:10:52am - Upload Data
Aug 5 01:58:01am -
Daily Visit
Aug 5 09:53:55am - Upload Data
Aug 6 12:25:06am -
Daily Visit
Aug 6 11:39:34am - Upload Data
Post by
Erorus
same problem i had nearly 320 but now - 120
So you missed January 11, 2013. Here's your rep log for the surrounding days in the server time zone:
Jan 10 04:48:45am -
Daily Visit
Jan 10 02:21:42pm - Received comment upvote
Jan 12 04:30:30am -
Daily Visit
Jan 12 08:32:21am - Received comment upvote
Jan 13 02:36:37am -
Daily Visit
Jan 13 03:24:05am - Received comment upvote
Jan 13 06:39:01am - Received comment upvote
Jan 13 08:57:08am - Received comment upvote
Post by
Balgair
The bug that we have seen over the recent months with consecutive visits basically boils down to the fact that the system was allowing a single missed day.
...
Fixing this bug has meant that
lots
of people all at once have seen what looked like the previous bug occur because the allowed misses have been removed from anyone's count that it was affecting.
Ahhh, thank you, that explains why I appeared to have credit for so long and then lost it, I couldn't understand that at all before, hence my questioning timezones and the like! Well in that case I'm glad my one miss was so long ago and not last week or something like that; at least I only lost just over a month then.
Post by
Erorus
I earned my Expert Rocketeer on 01/09/2013, so today my consecutive logins should say 223 days and not 146... 77 days just poofed.
So you missed December 17, 2012. Here's your rep log for the surrounding days in the server time zone:
Dec 16 07:54:05am -
Daily Visit
Dec 18 01:21:43pm -
Daily Visit
Dec 19 03:52:58am - Received comment upvote
Dec 19 09:09:24am -
Daily Visit
Oh and "link that proof", no..no. We havent done anything wrong, its not up to us to prove anything. Last time you guys fixed this matter so I assume you will do the same this time aswell.
I say "link that proof" to save us both some time and to make the bug investigation a collaboration. I've been doing software development for a long while, and it includes fixing lots of bugs. When I fix a bug or develop something new, and someone says it's wrong, I look at it like a challenge: "I put forth my best effort on this, so if it's wrong, prove it!" I like the bug reporter to have a similar attitude: "Look, I did the research, I know that I'm right, and this part that you did was wrong!" It's a challenge, and I respect it when the bug reporter put forth the same effort.
Sometimes they think there's a bug, but after they try to gather evidence, they realize they missed something. So they don't report the non-bug, and it saves us some time. Other times they present solid evidence that makes me think, "Wait! How did I miss this?" and gets me interested to tear it apart and fix it right away.
And sometimes I get bug reports with no supporting details or evidence or explanation, just "Hey, it was this, now it's that." And I drag my feet a little, the bug reporter wants the bug resolved ASAP, and finally I go through the effort of digging up the details and see that the code was fine all along. Which is how my past few posts have been going (except for the time zone rep page thing, that was interesting).
If you're more interested in what I'm on about, take a look at
How to Report Bugs Effectively
. It puts into words the feelings I've had for years but couldn't quite explain well. :)(##RESPBREAK##)2##DELIM##Erorus##DELIM##
Post by
mineka
And sometimes I get bug reports with no supporting details or evidence or explanation, just "Hey, it was this, now it's that." And I drag my feet a little, the bug reporter wants the bug resolved ASAP, and finally I go through the effort of digging up the details and see that the code was fine all along.
You deserve e-hugs.
On a more serious note, all the timestamp you provided use am/pm, and a lot of wowhead users can be confused by this, I think. Specifically 12:00am being midnight, and not noon.
Y U NO USE 24h formatting ?
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)
However mousehovering the date on the panel and on forums posts display date/time with local formatting, so I'm just being annoying at that point.
Keep up the good work :)
Post by
DELHunsy
I protest.
Post by
Bupko
i had nearly 320 days but now only 123
http://www.wowhead.com/user=Bupko
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